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EarlG

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Tue Apr 29, 2025, 10:04 AM Apr 2025

Are we approaching "fiasco" level? [View all]

Recently a friend of mine sent me a link to a re-run of a twenty year old This American Life episode called "Fiasco!" It's about an amateur dramatics performance of Peter Pan that goes terribly wrong, and it's hilarious. But it might also provide some insight into the current state of the Trump administration.

The episode explores the nature of a "fiasco" and "what takes our ordinary lives that extra distance into fiasco."

As the story in the podcast goes, most members of the Peter Pan audience were initially accepting and understanding of the errors that were unfolding in front of them. They had come to a play expecting to be entertained by the play in the traditional sense, and given that the actors seemed to be doing their best under difficult circumstances, the audience was initially on their side and remained polite as one mistake after another unfolded.

But at some point, a tipping point arrived. Suddenly the audience was no longer on the side of the performers. And once that point arrived, every single slight mistake, every error which might normally been ignored, was greeted by the audience with mockery. Because while the audience had initially been expecting one form of entertainment (a play) they eventually discovered that the play was so terrible that mocking it was more entertaining than the play itself.

The episode suggests that this tipping point separates what would have otherwise been just a bad play from a "fiasco." Once that tipping point arrived, there was nothing the performers could do to regain control.

Here are a couple of excerpts excerpts from the podcast which I found interesting in light of what's going on with Trump's recent polling numbers and the growing unpopularity of the policies he keeps doubling down on:

Ira Glass: And so now have we arrived at a turning point in our fiasco?

Jack Hitt: Yeah. Yeah, it's clear now that the audience is giving way. Something has been lost, some sense of decorum, that little bit of forgiveness that the audience has for the actors.

Ira Glass: And empathy.

Jack Hitt: And empathy. It's beginning to dissipate. Well, there was a split in the audience. Sort of the younger people who were the least forgiving, they started to go first, OK? So the high school students, couple of college students maybe, they started to laugh out loud. And I'll be honest, Ira, I might have been one of those first people to laugh. I was in the 10th grade. It was hard to not laugh at this.

Ira Glass: (LAUGHS)

Jack Hitt: But then whatever restraint that the audience had, it just evaporated at this point because there were a number of things that happened in quick succession that just made it impossible to hold any sense of decorum.

Jack Hitt: At this point, I mean, the actors are just falling apart. They are so frightened of the audience. There are just belly laughs rolling up to the stage from the audience. People are howling with laughter at every mistake. And now any small mistake just takes on these-- any instigation for laughter is just enough for this audience. And now the old people have given it up. Everyone has quit being nice. Now there's just this kind of frightening roar that comes from the audience every time there's a mistake.

Ira Glass: Well, what happened? At some point, the audience turned and realized, oh, wait. I realize what's going on here. This is a fiasco.

Jack Hitt: Yeah, this is a fiasco. And what's really interesting about a fiasco is that once it starts to tumble down, the audience wants to push it further along.

Ira Glass: Oh, they get hungry for more fiasco.

I realize that none of what the Trump administration is doing is laughable in the way that this performance of Peter Pan was. But this concept of a "fiasco" may suggest where the Trump administration could be heading in the eyes of the media and public.
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I think we are approaching a "fiasco" my dear EarlG! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2025 #1
It was a fiasco from when he made a stink about Obama's birth certificate. unblock Apr 2025 #2
I think technically it wasn't a fiasco though EarlG Apr 2025 #5
Trump's magic -- unblock Apr 2025 #11
That's a great take EarlG Apr 2025 #12
Interesting it took a child to point out the emperor has no clothes Ponietz Apr 2025 #16
I like the pro wrestling analogy blubunyip Apr 2025 #39
"...so he can't point the finger at anyone else this time"? calimary Apr 2025 #62
Trump was saved from exposure as an economic idiot by the pandemic. House of Roberts Apr 2025 #64
He also had people in place the first time around that told him 'no'. louis-t Apr 2025 #73
No. That was not fiasco. That was Anal Fistula, just being an asshole. Now is the beginning of fiasco. 3Hotdogs Apr 2025 #56
when your social security check Mme. Defarge Apr 2025 #68
If only... kirby Apr 2025 #3
Most Americans don't want a civil war? SergeStorms Apr 2025 #4
Understood EarlG Apr 2025 #7
Again, I repeat DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #31
Do you mean....... SergeStorms Apr 2025 #42
There are too many (if not the majority) who want a civil war. "When can we start using our guns?" erronis Apr 2025 #18
They're also loud-mouthed morons..... SergeStorms Apr 2025 #43
Approaching? Oh, we're there. Right in the middle of it. Ocelot II Apr 2025 #6
No, we're not there yet IMO Dan Apr 2025 #10
Amazon said they're just talking about showing tariff costs.... Nittersing Apr 2025 #17
I noticed the 'change' to talking. Dan Apr 2025 #19
The increases are already showing up DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #32
Shipping..... SergeStorms Apr 2025 #47
Surprise surprise DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #49
Bezos won't want to waste..... SergeStorms Apr 2025 #44
Doesn't matter DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #50
Agree. Would term what we're enduring as a rolling fiasco storm. Inasmuch as djt is a allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #52
I agree with this assessment Skittles Apr 2025 #59
Good point. When I think about it, every Repug I've known has always had a thing allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #60
I swear, how do they even have the time to worry about so many people Skittles Apr 2025 #61
ppl, pls go listen to the show. pleeease. for one thing, u will love it. mopinko Apr 2025 #8
Dear God! I understood your whole post, and I don't text at all. planetc Apr 2025 #28
FIASCO???? DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #33
I coined the phrase Trumpocalypse in the Fall of 2016 - little did I know. yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #63
Awesome!!!!! DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #66
I've heard some pundits use it recently. yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #67
I heard the show when NJCher Apr 2025 #70
esp mopinko Apr 2025 #71
Just want to point out that Hillary Clinton was laughing since Trump's inaugural. Baitball Blogger Apr 2025 #9
And I seceded from the country the day after the election. planetc Apr 2025 #29
We have been at fiasco level since November 5, 2024. Sneederbunk Apr 2025 #13
I can only hope you are onto something with this Earl! It does seem possible, and more so daily. So, let's all KPN Apr 2025 #14
Love TAL and Ira. orangecrush Apr 2025 #15
i dont listen to radio like i used to. mopinko Apr 2025 #36
I am listening to CFZM 740 A.M. out of Toronto orangecrush Apr 2025 #37
I prefer to think of Trump's administration as a soup sandwich. Jedi Guy Apr 2025 #20
The nature of the government's fiasco is of course quite different. WestMichRad Apr 2025 #21
Just like the audience in Cabaret. The Nazi soldiers enjoyed the schtick but the real people understood. erronis Apr 2025 #45
We hit fiasco level the day Trump was elected. And it's been downhill ever since. Martin68 Apr 2025 #22
I dont think so GusBob Apr 2025 #23
Fiasco is like recession BaronChocula Apr 2025 #24
Simple and true. erronis Apr 2025 #46
That's really interesting. NH Ethylene Apr 2025 #25
Very nice piece, EarlG! marble falls Apr 2025 #26
I realize this OP was to point out the danger here, Tom Dyer Apr 2025 #27
Great comparison! And it goes so well with that poll I posted this morning showing how many highplainsdem Apr 2025 #30
Bookmarking to listen to later robbob Apr 2025 #34
Sadly this country is weapons grade stupid Cosmocat Apr 2025 #35
I haven't seen Fiasco, but recently... Dem4life1970 Apr 2025 #38
, Magoo48 Apr 2025 #40
Profound malaise Apr 2025 #41
Mockery and laughter can be an effective, even lethal weapon against puffed-up egos peggysue2 Apr 2025 #48
Yep fiasco, chaos, melee..... Clouds Passing Apr 2025 #51
well past fiasco et tu Apr 2025 #53
This is such a good comparison mcar Apr 2025 #54
Very Funny bluestateboomer Apr 2025 #55
Hell, we passed "fiasco" two months ago...... lastlib Apr 2025 #57
The Evidence Is Everywhere DallasNE Apr 2025 #58
I still hold out hope that a series of events could trigger a paradigm shift yellow dahlia Apr 2025 #65
"fiasco" is too kind for TSF RainCaster Apr 2025 #69
found the episode SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2025 #72
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