General Discussion

And I'm also sick of the garbage. But... we're political junkies, and most people aren't. The nature of a true fiasco means that a large majority has to be involved -- not just one side, or a few people. It has to be something which crosses boundaries and sets in as conventional wisdom.

After 9/11, George W. Bush had a 90% approval rating. By the end of his second term, his approval rating was 33%. Republicans were absolutely crushed in the 2006 mid-terms and in the 2008 presidential election. These days you'd probably have a tough time finding a Trump Republican who admitted voting for Bush. Thanks to his own missteps with the invasion of Iraq, I think you can consider Bush's second term a true fiasco.

There are certainly lots of people who will never, ever give up on Trump, and until recently, it looked like his hold on the cult was so strong that a fiasco could never happen to him. But with the recent economic news, and polls reflecting serious discontent, I have to wonder whether we may yet reach a tipping point. Especially since the real damage from the tariffs hasn't even shown up yet.