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WSHazel

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14. How did this approach work in 2016 and 2024?
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 02:18 PM
Apr 2025

The race to be the bigger victim is a losing one for Democrats, but it is a debate that Trump and MAGA LOVE to have. And by attacking men, it means we are also attacking everyone in their families, which is why Democrats get slaughtered now with white working class women. Also, a party of college graduates telling people in some dying, working class, small city in the Midwest, where the population and inflation adjusted per capita income has been declining for 50 years, that they need to check their privilege is better advertising for Trump than anything MAGA can come up with. It should be hard for Democrats to lose Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Iowa, but amazingly we have done it multiple times in the last 10 years, and Ohio and Iowa, who both voted for a black President twice, are not even swing states anymore. We have much better policies for these states, but are getting killed in the messaging war.

Democrats are also losing ground with black working class men and especially with Latino working class men. If Democrats had held their margins with Latino men that Obama had, Hillary Clinton would have just wrapped up her second term and we would be on a 5th straight term of Democrats in the White House and have a 20+ seat advantage in the House. And to preempt any silly retorts to this, I am not blaming them for voting Republican. I am blaming the terrible messaging from a small corner of the Democratic Party, that Republicans amplify, for them voting Republican.

Most of my family is biracial, and 60% of the non-college educated males in my family vote Republican now. All of these Republican male voters in my family are under 40, so they have a lot of votes left in them. Telling them that they are the problem does not sound like a winning pitch to swing them to the Blue team.

Furthermore, Democrats are rapidly gaining ground with college educated men, particularly in the suburbs, so why is a big chunk of the party attacking them?

Attacking men for being men is just dumb politics, and is also very un-liberal. It is such a bad strategy that I question whether those high profile progressives advocating it even want Democrats to win or just want a soapbox to stand on and blame others for the party's failure. FWIW, AOC uses much more inclusive language, but I guess she is not a good progressive either.

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Thoughts on "bro culture" [View all] RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 OP
Lots of flavors to this...the tech bros, the trad bros, the hick bros....only justice is they have a hard time... dutch777 Apr 2025 #1
You're suggesting using bro culture's insults (beta male) to take down the manosphere? maxsolomon Apr 2025 #2
I used their term as a joke RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #3
"Thorough deconstructions" aren't going to resonate with "bros" maxsolomon Apr 2025 #8
We definitely need to engage there EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #4
agreed RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #5
I am more a live and let live kind of guy WSHazel Apr 2025 #6
1) Yes. More women do go to college. YET men STILL Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #9
How did this approach work in 2016 and 2024? WSHazel Apr 2025 #14
This isn't an approach, and this isn't a race to be a bigger victim. It has nothing to do Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #19
Who is responsible blubunyip Apr 2025 #12
I think people continue to misinterpret MAGA WSHazel Apr 2025 #16
Building coalitions blubunyip Apr 2025 #21
These are the same crybabies who won't support labor unions leftstreet Apr 2025 #13
Some of them are in unions WSHazel Apr 2025 #15
I wonder why more women are graduating from college Wicked Blue Apr 2025 #18
They don't need to. When they get out into the workforce, they still make considerably more than women. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #20
There's an old saying in women's circles... haele Apr 2025 #7
They are all just money grubbing weasels JustAnotherGen Apr 2025 #10
"Bro culture" is a contradiction in terms. (nt) Paladin Apr 2025 #11
It's toxic masculinity wrapped around a cult LS0999 Apr 2025 #17
exactly RJ-MacReady Apr 2025 #22
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