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highplainsdem

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Wed May 7, 2025, 02:00 PM May 7

Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (James D. Walsh, NYMag. Horrifying read on ChatGPT destroying education) [View all]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/openai-chatgpt-ai-cheating-education-college-students-school.html
https://archive.ph/DzOE6 (Adding the Archive page because even though I've rarely looked at anything in New York magazine in recent months - and I haven't posted an OP about one of their articles since last September - I got a popup saying I'm past my monthly limit, so their detection of the number of visits is waaaay off.)

Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College
ChatGPT has unraveled the entire academic project.
By James D. Walsh

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In January 2023, just two months after OpenAI launched ChatGPT, a survey of 1,000 college students found that nearly 90 percent of them had used the chatbot to help with homework assignments. In its first year of existence, ChatGPT’s total monthly visits steadily increased month-over-month until June, when schools let out for the summer. (That wasn’t an anomaly: Traffic dipped again over the summer in 2024.) Professors and teaching assistants increasingly found themselves staring at essays filled with clunky, robotic phrasing that, though grammatically flawless, didn’t sound quite like a college student — or even a human. Two and a half years later, students at large state schools, the Ivies, liberal-arts schools in New England, universities abroad, professional schools, and community colleges are relying on AI to ease their way through every facet of their education. Generative-AI chatbots — ChatGPT but also Google’s Gemini, Anthropic’s Claude, Microsoft’s Copilot, and others — take their notes during class, devise their study guides and practice tests, summarize novels and textbooks, and brainstorm, outline, and draft their essays. STEM students are using AI to automate their research and data analyses and to sail through dense coding and debugging assignments. “College is just how well I can use ChatGPT at this point,” a student in Utah recently captioned a video of herself copy-and-pasting a chapter from her Genocide and Mass Atrocity textbook into ChatGPT.

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It isn’t as if cheating is new. But now, as one student put it, “the ceiling has been blown off.” Who could resist a tool that makes every assignment easier with seemingly no consequences? After spending the better part of the past two years grading AI-generated papers, Troy Jollimore, a poet, philosopher, and Cal State Chico ethics professor, has concerns. “Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from university with degrees, and into the workforce, who are essentially illiterate,” he said. “Both in the literal sense and in the sense of being historically illiterate and having no knowledge of their own culture, much less anyone else’s.” That future may arrive sooner than expected when you consider what a short window college really is. Already, roughly half of all undergrads have never experienced college without easy access to generative AI. “We’re talking about an entire generation of learning perhaps significantly undermined here,” said Green, the Santa Clara tech ethicist. “It’s short-circuiting the learning process, and it’s happening fast.”

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Still, while professors may think they are good at detecting AI-generated writing, studies have found they’re actually not. One, published in June 2024, used fake student profiles to slip 100 percent AI-generated work into professors’ grading piles at a U.K. university. The professors failed to flag 97 percent. It doesn’t help that since ChatGPT’s launch, AI’s capacity to write human-sounding essays has only gotten better. Which is why universities have enlisted AI detectors like Turnitin, which uses AI to recognize patterns in AI-generated text. After evaluating a block of text, detectors provide a percentage score that indicates the alleged likelihood it was AI-generated. Students talk about professors who are rumored to have certain thresholds (25 percent, say) above which an essay might be flagged as an honor-code violation. But I couldn’t find a single professor — at large state schools or small private schools, elite or otherwise — who admitted to enforcing such a policy. Most seemed resigned to the belief that AI detectors don’t work. It’s true that different AI detectors have vastly different success rates, and there is a lot of conflicting data. While some claim to have less than a one percent false-positive rate, studies have shown they trigger more false positives for essays written by neurodivergent students and students who speak English as a second language. Turnitin’s chief product officer, Annie Chechitelli, told me that the product is tuned to err on the side of caution, more inclined to trigger a false negative than a false positive so that teachers don’t wrongly accuse students of plagiarism. I fed Wendy’s essay through a free AI detector, ZeroGPT, and it came back as 11.74 AI-generated, which seemed low given that AI, at the very least, had generated her central arguments. I then fed a chunk of text from the Book of Genesis into ZeroGPT and it came back as 93.33 percent AI-generated.

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It’ll be years before we can fully account for what all of this is doing to students’ brains. Some early research shows that when students off-load cognitive duties onto chatbots, their capacity for memory, problem-solving, and creativity could suffer. Multiple studies published within the past year have linked AI usage with a deterioration in critical-thinking skills; one found the effect to be more pronounced in younger participants. In February, Microsoft and Carnegie Mellon University published a study that found a person’s confidence in generative AI correlates with reduced critical-thinking effort. The net effect seems, if not quite Wall-E, at least a dramatic reorganization of a person’s efforts and abilities, away from high-effort inquiry and fact-gathering and toward integration and verification. This is all especially unnerving if you add in the reality that AI is imperfect — it might rely on something that is factually inaccurate or just make something up entirely — with the ruinous effect social media has had on Gen Z’s ability to tell fact from fiction. The problem may be much larger than generative AI. The so-called Flynn effect refers to the consistent rise in IQ scores from generation to generation going back to at least the 1930s. That rise started to slow, and in some cases reverse, around 2006. “The greatest worry in these times of generative AI is not that it may compromise human creativity or intelligence,” Robert Sternberg, a psychology professor at Cornell University, told The Guardian, “but that it already has.”

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Much more at the link.
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Bookmarking for reading later Demovictory9 May 7 #1
For upper division courses, my wife... Happy Hoosier May 7 #2
Good for her. And the teachers I've discussed this with know that oral exams (or a talk with the student highplainsdem May 7 #20
I have long wondered why professors PoindexterOglethorpe May 7 #3
Probably too time consuming for professors womanofthehills May 7 #8
I think some do. My daughter has to submit her rough drafts Bristlecone May 7 #45
I did that TimeToGo May 7 #47
What makes you think they don't? Happy Hoosier May 8 #72
Don't forget--this cheating will impact those who enter medical school, law school and others... hlthe2b May 7 #4
I agree completely. highplainsdem May 7 #41
Actually- the info on these sites including Groc is amazing womanofthehills May 7 #5
I haven't used AI much, but when I was writing a paper EdmondDantes_ May 7 #10
Sometimes AI educates you about an ignorance you didn't know you had. Lucky Luciano May 7 #35
I remember you praising Grok before (it isn't Groc; never heard of an AI named Groc, but Twitter/X has Grok). highplainsdem May 7 #12
As to using a chatbot for school assignments - Ms. Toad May 7 #27
I've seen surveys of students indicating that most of them do consider the use of AI highplainsdem May 7 #32
What the student thinks isn't relevant to whether it is cheating or not. Ms. Toad May 7 #43
There's nothing truly artistic or creative in having an image generator spit out lots of options and highplainsdem May 7 #50
You needn't be stunned. Ms. Toad May 7 #53
I've played with image generators. I know how little control words give the AI user over the image created by highplainsdem May 7 #60
AI can certainly be used without much creativity. Ms. Toad May 7 #66
I don't disparage photography and never have. But I consider genAI unethical, antithetical to creativity, highplainsdem May 7 #67
You are mixing arguments. Ms. Toad May 8 #69
Photography would never have been considered art if, instead of capturing an image of what's in front of it, highplainsdem May 8 #70
You are being very clear that your understanding of AI as part of the creative process is as simplistic, Ms. Toad May 8 #74
A camera captures an image of something real in front of the camera. It captures and records highplainsdem May 8 #75
If you've never tried to generate an artistic image via an AI prompt, you might want to give it a try LearnedHand May 7 #59
I've used image generators. And I know that no matter what the prompt is, it not only doesn't provide highplainsdem May 7 #61
I read a good reply to this article by Jacob T. Levy on bluesky senseandsensibility May 7 #6
Yes. There've been recommendations of going back to handwritten exams using blue books since highplainsdem May 7 #15
I have to wonder if some professors are resistant to this because senseandsensibility May 7 #19
And some teachers think they should be allowed to use AI to grade their students. Sigh. highplainsdem May 7 #21
It's not a matter of being allowed to use AI to grade their students - Ms. Toad May 7 #36
My daughter just took finals in college on a blue book Pisces May 7 #31
Glad to hear it. highplainsdem May 7 #33
The old blue book method Stuckinthebush May 7 #17
I think so senseandsensibility May 7 #22
Unless you're Trump, then each of your ghostwriters and test-takers can have 20 pencils. JustABozoOnThisBus May 7 #29
Not true - he said 5 pencils... Dan May 7 #34
Lots of kids now can only print by hand, and slowly. highplainsdem May 7 #24
Kick SheltieLover May 7 #7
Ask ChatGPT what to do about that problem bucolic_frolic May 7 #9
It isn't "theirs" and can never be theirs if they're just altering what a chatbot gave them. highplainsdem May 7 #13
I just took a continuing JBTaurus83 May 7 #11
Instructors like that are cheating their students. highplainsdem May 7 #14
What's the value in that class? WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #16
I agree JBTaurus83 May 7 #37
The future of America is being made from the ignorance of so called instructors like this. live love laugh May 7 #42
None whatsoever, but . . . HoneyAndLocusts May 7 #62
I've heard that one tell for AI is AI likes to use dashes in their writing, like colleagues--especially & power--have FSogol May 8 #71
Seems foolish to invest in college and not mzmolly May 7 #18
Some kids believe only the degree is important, and not how you got it. highplainsdem May 7 #25
No surprise here misanthrope May 7 #23
I was a GTA about 25 years ago . . . hatrack May 7 #30
By 25 years ago, TV was already taking.up more of kids' time than it had been 10-20 years earlier. highplainsdem May 7 #38
some of the slide predates AI cab67 May 7 #26
You sound like a real teacher, not just a placeholder standing in front of a class. Bravo. erronis May 7 #28
vertebrate diversity, evolution, paleontology cab67 May 7 #46
My natural OCD helped me glide through college Random Boomer May 7 #40
I did that, too. badhair77 May 7 #63
We need to go back to blue book exams in person. SidneyR May 7 #39
Professors are using AI to grade papers. It's pathetic. nt SunSeeker May 7 #44
As John Stossel said thirtyish years ago on 20//20 "Cheating is good" Clouds Passing May 7 #48
I am a teacher. Balatro May 7 #49
I used multiple choice questions and scantrons but I write the questions and badhair77 May 7 #64
The worst part is, THEY DON'T CARE. LisaM May 7 #51
Neil deGrasse Tyson said something I'll never forget ybbor May 7 #52
there is the incentive to pile up degrees and credentials to get a jump in the hiring process Demovictory9 May 7 #54
"I spend so much time on TikTok," she said. "Hours and hours, until my eyes start hurting, which makes it hard to plan Demovictory9 May 7 #55
AI is going to take many of their jobs madville May 7 #56
this is kind of hilarious: students in her Ethics and Tech class used AI to respond to "Briefly introduce yourself and Demovictory9 May 7 #57
"Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from university with degrees, and into the workforce, who are essentia Demovictory9 May 7 #58
It's so depressing that it has been happening so fast. I knew it would hurt education, but didn't expect highplainsdem May 7 #65
i hated papers, but i almost always did fresh subjects, art school for sure. cannibalism in hs. habbit or acquired taste pansypoo53219 May 8 #68
There are ways to adjust to the new environment ecstatic May 8 #73
US Colleges are archaic so perhaps this will finally prompt them to update GreatGazoo May 8 #76
I think we're rapidly heading to the point Diraven May 8 #77
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