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highplainsdem

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32. I've seen surveys of students indicating that most of them do consider the use of AI

Wed May 7, 2025, 02:42 PM

May 2025

to be cheating. It's cheating IMO even if teachers are misguided enough to authorize its use.

What's generated by AI is not the work of the AI user, any more than it would be if they hired someone to do the work for them.

If you're being tested for basic math skills, use of a calculator is cheating.

If you're being tested for spelling, use of a spellchecker is cheating.

GenAI tools generate text, images, video and music - all of which result from many separate decisions and skills when humans do them. Having AI do any of those for you, substituting what it can generate as a plagiarism machine - and mindlessly giving users options, since any prompt can keep the AI offering countless options - is in no way comparable to using a calculator or spellchecker.

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Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (James D. Walsh, NYMag. Horrifying read on ChatGPT destroying education) [View all] highplainsdem May 2025 OP

Bookmarking for reading later Demovictory9 May 2025 #1

For upper division courses, my wife... Happy Hoosier May 2025 #2

Good for her. And the teachers I've discussed this with know that oral exams (or a talk with the student highplainsdem May 2025 #20

I have long wondered why professors PoindexterOglethorpe May 2025 #3

Probably too time consuming for professors womanofthehills May 2025 #8

I think some do. My daughter has to submit her rough drafts Bristlecone May 2025 #45

I did that TimeToGo May 2025 #47

What makes you think they don't? Happy Hoosier May 2025 #72

Don't forget--this cheating will impact those who enter medical school, law school and others... hlthe2b May 2025 #4

I agree completely. highplainsdem May 2025 #41

Actually- the info on these sites including Groc is amazing womanofthehills May 2025 #5

I haven't used AI much, but when I was writing a paper EdmondDantes_ May 2025 #10

Sometimes AI educates you about an ignorance you didn't know you had. Lucky Luciano May 2025 #35

I remember you praising Grok before (it isn't Groc; never heard of an AI named Groc, but Twitter/X has Grok). highplainsdem May 2025 #12

As to using a chatbot for school assignments - Ms. Toad May 2025 #27

I've seen surveys of students indicating that most of them do consider the use of AI highplainsdem May 2025 #32

What the student thinks isn't relevant to whether it is cheating or not. Ms. Toad May 2025 #43

There's nothing truly artistic or creative in having an image generator spit out lots of options and highplainsdem May 2025 #50

You needn't be stunned. Ms. Toad May 2025 #53

I've played with image generators. I know how little control words give the AI user over the image created by highplainsdem May 2025 #60

AI can certainly be used without much creativity. Ms. Toad May 2025 #66

I don't disparage photography and never have. But I consider genAI unethical, antithetical to creativity, highplainsdem May 2025 #67

You are mixing arguments. Ms. Toad May 2025 #69

Photography would never have been considered art if, instead of capturing an image of what's in front of it, highplainsdem May 2025 #70

You are being very clear that your understanding of AI as part of the creative process is as simplistic, Ms. Toad May 2025 #74

A camera captures an image of something real in front of the camera. It captures and records highplainsdem May 2025 #75

If you've never tried to generate an artistic image via an AI prompt, you might want to give it a try LearnedHand May 2025 #59

I've used image generators. And I know that no matter what the prompt is, it not only doesn't provide highplainsdem May 2025 #61

I read a good reply to this article by Jacob T. Levy on bluesky senseandsensibility May 2025 #6

Yes. There've been recommendations of going back to handwritten exams using blue books since highplainsdem May 2025 #15

I have to wonder if some professors are resistant to this because senseandsensibility May 2025 #19

And some teachers think they should be allowed to use AI to grade their students. Sigh. highplainsdem May 2025 #21

It's not a matter of being allowed to use AI to grade their students - Ms. Toad May 2025 #36

My daughter just took finals in college on a blue book Pisces May 2025 #31

Glad to hear it. highplainsdem May 2025 #33

The old blue book method Stuckinthebush May 2025 #17

I think so senseandsensibility May 2025 #22

Unless you're Trump, then each of your ghostwriters and test-takers can have 20 pencils. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2025 #29

Not true - he said 5 pencils... Dan May 2025 #34

Lots of kids now can only print by hand, and slowly. highplainsdem May 2025 #24

Kick SheltieLover May 2025 #7

Ask ChatGPT what to do about that problem bucolic_frolic May 2025 #9

It isn't "theirs" and can never be theirs if they're just altering what a chatbot gave them. highplainsdem May 2025 #13

I just took a continuing JBTaurus83 May 2025 #11

Instructors like that are cheating their students. highplainsdem May 2025 #14

What's the value in that class? WhiskeyGrinder May 2025 #16

I agree JBTaurus83 May 2025 #37

The future of America is being made from the ignorance of so called instructors like this. live love laugh May 2025 #42

None whatsoever, but . . . HoneyAndLocusts May 2025 #62

I've heard that one tell for AI is AI likes to use dashes in their writing, like colleagues--especially & power--have FSogol May 2025 #71

Seems foolish to invest in college and not mzmolly May 2025 #18

Some kids believe only the degree is important, and not how you got it. highplainsdem May 2025 #25

No surprise here misanthrope May 2025 #23

I was a GTA about 25 years ago . . . hatrack May 2025 #30

By 25 years ago, TV was already taking.up more of kids' time than it had been 10-20 years earlier. highplainsdem May 2025 #38

some of the slide predates AI cab67 May 2025 #26

You sound like a real teacher, not just a placeholder standing in front of a class. Bravo. erronis May 2025 #28

vertebrate diversity, evolution, paleontology cab67 May 2025 #46

My natural OCD helped me glide through college Random Boomer May 2025 #40

I did that, too. badhair77 May 2025 #63

We need to go back to blue book exams in person. SidneyR May 2025 #39

Professors are using AI to grade papers. It's pathetic. nt SunSeeker May 2025 #44

As John Stossel said thirtyish years ago on 20//20 "Cheating is good" Clouds Passing May 2025 #48

I am a teacher. Balatro May 2025 #49

I used multiple choice questions and scantrons but I write the questions and badhair77 May 2025 #64

The worst part is, THEY DON'T CARE. LisaM May 2025 #51

Neil deGrasse Tyson said something I'll never forget ybbor May 2025 #52

there is the incentive to pile up degrees and credentials to get a jump in the hiring process Demovictory9 May 2025 #54

"I spend so much time on TikTok," she said. "Hours and hours, until my eyes start hurting, which makes it hard to plan Demovictory9 May 2025 #55

AI is going to take many of their jobs madville May 2025 #56

this is kind of hilarious: students in her Ethics and Tech class used AI to respond to "Briefly introduce yourself and Demovictory9 May 2025 #57

"Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from university with degrees, and into the workforce, who are essentia Demovictory9 May 2025 #58

It's so depressing that it has been happening so fast. I knew it would hurt education, but didn't expect highplainsdem May 2025 #65

i hated papers, but i almost always did fresh subjects, art school for sure. cannibalism in hs. habbit or acquired taste pansypoo53219 May 2025 #68

There are ways to adjust to the new environment ecstatic May 2025 #73

US Colleges are archaic so perhaps this will finally prompt them to update GreatGazoo May 2025 #76

I think we're rapidly heading to the point Diraven May 2025 #77