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highplainsdem

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50. There's nothing truly artistic or creative in having an image generator spit out lots of options and

Wed May 7, 2025, 05:08 PM

May 7

then choosing one. The AI user isn't creating the image via prompts any more than someone shopping online for a clothing item using keywords created the item they finally chose.

So generating multiple images is precisely what allow the artist to apply their creative eye to select those which are artistic from those which are garbage - in the same way they would from their own sketches.

Stunned that you would compare choosing from images the AI user didn't create to an artist creating original sketches, using their own skills to start work on something they will finish.

Art comes from inspiration, skills, knowledge and intent. AI art is mindless plagiarism. Its mindlessness is why AI users have to be selective. There's more real artistry in a human artist starting with just a few brush strokes or pencil lines than in any number of AI images.

And I'm not aware of any AI image generator that was entirely ethically trained, unless one was trained only on images that were bought or licensed specifically for use as AI training data. There are a lot of very unhappy photographers and artists who discovered that platforms and tools they were using, which had nothing to do with AI originally, had owners who decided the terms of service could be reinterpreted to use those photos and images to train AI to create new images to compete with the photographers' and artists' work. I consider what was done to those creatives a ripoff.

As I recall, too, Adobe, despite early boasting about ethical training of its AI, used countless AI-generated images from Midjourney - infamous for how much intellectual property it stole - to train its Firefly AI tool.

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Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (James D. Walsh, NYMag. Horrifying read on ChatGPT destroying education) [View all] highplainsdem May 7 OP

Bookmarking for reading later Demovictory9 May 7 #1

For upper division courses, my wife... Happy Hoosier May 7 #2

Good for her. And the teachers I've discussed this with know that oral exams (or a talk with the student highplainsdem May 7 #20

I have long wondered why professors PoindexterOglethorpe May 7 #3

Probably too time consuming for professors womanofthehills May 7 #8

I think some do. My daughter has to submit her rough drafts Bristlecone May 7 #45

I did that TimeToGo May 7 #47

What makes you think they don't? Happy Hoosier May 8 #72

Don't forget--this cheating will impact those who enter medical school, law school and others... hlthe2b May 7 #4

I agree completely. highplainsdem May 7 #41

Actually- the info on these sites including Groc is amazing womanofthehills May 7 #5

I haven't used AI much, but when I was writing a paper EdmondDantes_ May 7 #10

Sometimes AI educates you about an ignorance you didn't know you had. Lucky Luciano May 7 #35

I remember you praising Grok before (it isn't Groc; never heard of an AI named Groc, but Twitter/X has Grok). highplainsdem May 7 #12

As to using a chatbot for school assignments - Ms. Toad May 7 #27

I've seen surveys of students indicating that most of them do consider the use of AI highplainsdem May 7 #32

What the student thinks isn't relevant to whether it is cheating or not. Ms. Toad May 7 #43

There's nothing truly artistic or creative in having an image generator spit out lots of options and highplainsdem May 7 #50

You needn't be stunned. Ms. Toad May 7 #53

I've played with image generators. I know how little control words give the AI user over the image created by highplainsdem May 7 #60

AI can certainly be used without much creativity. Ms. Toad May 7 #66

I don't disparage photography and never have. But I consider genAI unethical, antithetical to creativity, highplainsdem May 7 #67

You are mixing arguments. Ms. Toad May 8 #69

Photography would never have been considered art if, instead of capturing an image of what's in front of it, highplainsdem May 8 #70

You are being very clear that your understanding of AI as part of the creative process is as simplistic, Ms. Toad May 8 #74

A camera captures an image of something real in front of the camera. It captures and records highplainsdem May 8 #75

If you've never tried to generate an artistic image via an AI prompt, you might want to give it a try LearnedHand May 7 #59

I've used image generators. And I know that no matter what the prompt is, it not only doesn't provide highplainsdem May 7 #61

I read a good reply to this article by Jacob T. Levy on bluesky senseandsensibility May 7 #6

Yes. There've been recommendations of going back to handwritten exams using blue books since highplainsdem May 7 #15

I have to wonder if some professors are resistant to this because senseandsensibility May 7 #19

And some teachers think they should be allowed to use AI to grade their students. Sigh. highplainsdem May 7 #21

It's not a matter of being allowed to use AI to grade their students - Ms. Toad May 7 #36

My daughter just took finals in college on a blue book Pisces May 7 #31

Glad to hear it. highplainsdem May 7 #33

The old blue book method Stuckinthebush May 7 #17

I think so senseandsensibility May 7 #22

Unless you're Trump, then each of your ghostwriters and test-takers can have 20 pencils. JustABozoOnThisBus May 7 #29

Not true - he said 5 pencils... Dan May 7 #34

Lots of kids now can only print by hand, and slowly. highplainsdem May 7 #24

Kick SheltieLover May 7 #7

Ask ChatGPT what to do about that problem bucolic_frolic May 7 #9

It isn't "theirs" and can never be theirs if they're just altering what a chatbot gave them. highplainsdem May 7 #13

I just took a continuing JBTaurus83 May 7 #11

Instructors like that are cheating their students. highplainsdem May 7 #14

What's the value in that class? WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #16

I agree JBTaurus83 May 7 #37

The future of America is being made from the ignorance of so called instructors like this. live love laugh May 7 #42

None whatsoever, but . . . HoneyAndLocusts May 7 #62

I've heard that one tell for AI is AI likes to use dashes in their writing, like colleagues--especially & power--have FSogol May 8 #71

Seems foolish to invest in college and not mzmolly May 7 #18

Some kids believe only the degree is important, and not how you got it. highplainsdem May 7 #25

No surprise here misanthrope May 7 #23

I was a GTA about 25 years ago . . . hatrack May 7 #30

By 25 years ago, TV was already taking.up more of kids' time than it had been 10-20 years earlier. highplainsdem May 7 #38

some of the slide predates AI cab67 May 7 #26

You sound like a real teacher, not just a placeholder standing in front of a class. Bravo. erronis May 7 #28

vertebrate diversity, evolution, paleontology cab67 May 7 #46

My natural OCD helped me glide through college Random Boomer May 7 #40

I did that, too. badhair77 May 7 #63

We need to go back to blue book exams in person. SidneyR May 7 #39

Professors are using AI to grade papers. It's pathetic. nt SunSeeker May 7 #44

As John Stossel said thirtyish years ago on 20//20 "Cheating is good" Clouds Passing May 7 #48

I am a teacher. Balatro May 7 #49

I used multiple choice questions and scantrons but I write the questions and badhair77 May 7 #64

The worst part is, THEY DON'T CARE. LisaM May 7 #51

Neil deGrasse Tyson said something I'll never forget ybbor May 7 #52

there is the incentive to pile up degrees and credentials to get a jump in the hiring process Demovictory9 May 7 #54

"I spend so much time on TikTok," she said. "Hours and hours, until my eyes start hurting, which makes it hard to plan Demovictory9 May 7 #55

AI is going to take many of their jobs madville May 7 #56

this is kind of hilarious: students in her Ethics and Tech class used AI to respond to "Briefly introduce yourself and Demovictory9 May 7 #57

"Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from university with degrees, and into the workforce, who are essentia Demovictory9 May 7 #58

It's so depressing that it has been happening so fast. I knew it would hurt education, but didn't expect highplainsdem May 7 #65

i hated papers, but i almost always did fresh subjects, art school for sure. cannibalism in hs. habbit or acquired taste pansypoo53219 May 8 #68

There are ways to adjust to the new environment ecstatic May 8 #73

US Colleges are archaic so perhaps this will finally prompt them to update GreatGazoo May 8 #76

I think we're rapidly heading to the point Diraven May 8 #77