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In reply to the discussion: Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (James D. Walsh, NYMag. Horrifying read on ChatGPT destroying education) [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,185 posts)53. You needn't be stunned.
Stunned that you would compare choosing from images the AI user didn't create to an artist creating original sketches, using their own skills to start work on something they will finish.
First, the AI user did create the sketches - just with words, rather than pen and paper.
Second - have you heard of aphantasia? Most people, including artists have a "mind's eye," which allows them to visualize things. Close your eyes and try to picture an apple. If you can see the apple, you have the main neurological variant of a mind's eye. Some of us, including a fair number of artists, see absolutely no images. So when I am in the ideation phase of creating art, words are a lot closer to what I "see" than images - so sketching those original thoughts with a tool that can turn words into images is similar to the process of sketching with pen and paper for people without aphantasia.
It is still not an efficient process for me - because what I "see" is still closer in form and function to vectors than to words. So most of my ideation goes undocumented, or documented by only a few words.
But AI can be a useful tool equivalent to quickly cranking out sketches for those who see pictures in their minds.
Third - you don't think writing is a creative process? Putting your vision down in words (as you do to create a prompt) certainly, in my book, qualifies as creative.
Fourth identifying which image matches your vision and evaluating it for quality requires an artists' mind. Identifying and editing the portions of the image which don't match your vision requires creativity. This is a different creative process - but creating photography requires a different creative process than painting, than sculpting. No one creative process is inherently better than another.
Finally - the arguments you are making are extremely reminiscent of the arguments used to dismiss photography as not real art.
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Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (James D. Walsh, NYMag. Horrifying read on ChatGPT destroying education) [View all]
highplainsdem
May 2025
OP
Good for her. And the teachers I've discussed this with know that oral exams (or a talk with the student
highplainsdem
May 2025
#20
Don't forget--this cheating will impact those who enter medical school, law school and others...
hlthe2b
May 2025
#4
I remember you praising Grok before (it isn't Groc; never heard of an AI named Groc, but Twitter/X has Grok).
highplainsdem
May 2025
#12
I've seen surveys of students indicating that most of them do consider the use of AI
highplainsdem
May 2025
#32
There's nothing truly artistic or creative in having an image generator spit out lots of options and
highplainsdem
May 2025
#50
I've played with image generators. I know how little control words give the AI user over the image created by
highplainsdem
May 2025
#60
I don't disparage photography and never have. But I consider genAI unethical, antithetical to creativity,
highplainsdem
May 2025
#67
Photography would never have been considered art if, instead of capturing an image of what's in front of it,
highplainsdem
May 2025
#70
You are being very clear that your understanding of AI as part of the creative process is as simplistic,
Ms. Toad
May 2025
#74
A camera captures an image of something real in front of the camera. It captures and records
highplainsdem
May 2025
#75
If you've never tried to generate an artistic image via an AI prompt, you might want to give it a try
LearnedHand
May 2025
#59
I've used image generators. And I know that no matter what the prompt is, it not only doesn't provide
highplainsdem
May 2025
#61
Yes. There've been recommendations of going back to handwritten exams using blue books since
highplainsdem
May 2025
#15
And some teachers think they should be allowed to use AI to grade their students. Sigh.
highplainsdem
May 2025
#21
Unless you're Trump, then each of your ghostwriters and test-takers can have 20 pencils.
JustABozoOnThisBus
May 2025
#29
It isn't "theirs" and can never be theirs if they're just altering what a chatbot gave them.
highplainsdem
May 2025
#13
The future of America is being made from the ignorance of so called instructors like this.
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#42
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#71
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highplainsdem
May 2025
#38
You sound like a real teacher, not just a placeholder standing in front of a class. Bravo.
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May 2025
#28
there is the incentive to pile up degrees and credentials to get a jump in the hiring process
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#54
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#55
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#57
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Demovictory9
May 2025
#58
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highplainsdem
May 2025
#65