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54. there is the incentive to pile up degrees and credentials to get a jump in the hiring process

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Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (James D. Walsh, NYMag. Horrifying read on ChatGPT destroying education) [View all] highplainsdem May 7 OP

Bookmarking for reading later Demovictory9 May 7 #1

For upper division courses, my wife... Happy Hoosier May 7 #2

Good for her. And the teachers I've discussed this with know that oral exams (or a talk with the student highplainsdem May 7 #20

I have long wondered why professors PoindexterOglethorpe May 7 #3

Probably too time consuming for professors womanofthehills May 7 #8

I think some do. My daughter has to submit her rough drafts Bristlecone May 7 #45

I did that TimeToGo May 7 #47

What makes you think they don't? Happy Hoosier May 8 #72

Don't forget--this cheating will impact those who enter medical school, law school and others... hlthe2b May 7 #4

I agree completely. highplainsdem May 7 #41

Actually- the info on these sites including Groc is amazing womanofthehills May 7 #5

I haven't used AI much, but when I was writing a paper EdmondDantes_ May 7 #10

Sometimes AI educates you about an ignorance you didn't know you had. Lucky Luciano May 7 #35

I remember you praising Grok before (it isn't Groc; never heard of an AI named Groc, but Twitter/X has Grok). highplainsdem May 7 #12

As to using a chatbot for school assignments - Ms. Toad May 7 #27

I've seen surveys of students indicating that most of them do consider the use of AI highplainsdem May 7 #32

What the student thinks isn't relevant to whether it is cheating or not. Ms. Toad May 7 #43

There's nothing truly artistic or creative in having an image generator spit out lots of options and highplainsdem May 7 #50

You needn't be stunned. Ms. Toad May 7 #53

I've played with image generators. I know how little control words give the AI user over the image created by highplainsdem May 7 #60

AI can certainly be used without much creativity. Ms. Toad May 7 #66

I don't disparage photography and never have. But I consider genAI unethical, antithetical to creativity, highplainsdem May 7 #67

You are mixing arguments. Ms. Toad May 8 #69

Photography would never have been considered art if, instead of capturing an image of what's in front of it, highplainsdem May 8 #70

You are being very clear that your understanding of AI as part of the creative process is as simplistic, Ms. Toad May 8 #74

A camera captures an image of something real in front of the camera. It captures and records highplainsdem May 8 #75

If you've never tried to generate an artistic image via an AI prompt, you might want to give it a try LearnedHand May 7 #59

I've used image generators. And I know that no matter what the prompt is, it not only doesn't provide highplainsdem May 7 #61

I read a good reply to this article by Jacob T. Levy on bluesky senseandsensibility May 7 #6

Yes. There've been recommendations of going back to handwritten exams using blue books since highplainsdem May 7 #15

I have to wonder if some professors are resistant to this because senseandsensibility May 7 #19

And some teachers think they should be allowed to use AI to grade their students. Sigh. highplainsdem May 7 #21

It's not a matter of being allowed to use AI to grade their students - Ms. Toad May 7 #36

My daughter just took finals in college on a blue book Pisces May 7 #31

Glad to hear it. highplainsdem May 7 #33

The old blue book method Stuckinthebush May 7 #17

I think so senseandsensibility May 7 #22

Unless you're Trump, then each of your ghostwriters and test-takers can have 20 pencils. JustABozoOnThisBus May 7 #29

Not true - he said 5 pencils... Dan May 7 #34

Lots of kids now can only print by hand, and slowly. highplainsdem May 7 #24

Kick SheltieLover May 7 #7

Ask ChatGPT what to do about that problem bucolic_frolic May 7 #9

It isn't "theirs" and can never be theirs if they're just altering what a chatbot gave them. highplainsdem May 7 #13

I just took a continuing JBTaurus83 May 7 #11

Instructors like that are cheating their students. highplainsdem May 7 #14

What's the value in that class? WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #16

I agree JBTaurus83 May 7 #37

The future of America is being made from the ignorance of so called instructors like this. live love laugh May 7 #42

None whatsoever, but . . . HoneyAndLocusts May 7 #62

I've heard that one tell for AI is AI likes to use dashes in their writing, like colleagues--especially & power--have FSogol May 8 #71

Seems foolish to invest in college and not mzmolly May 7 #18

Some kids believe only the degree is important, and not how you got it. highplainsdem May 7 #25

No surprise here misanthrope May 7 #23

I was a GTA about 25 years ago . . . hatrack May 7 #30

By 25 years ago, TV was already taking.up more of kids' time than it had been 10-20 years earlier. highplainsdem May 7 #38

some of the slide predates AI cab67 May 7 #26

You sound like a real teacher, not just a placeholder standing in front of a class. Bravo. erronis May 7 #28

vertebrate diversity, evolution, paleontology cab67 May 7 #46

My natural OCD helped me glide through college Random Boomer May 7 #40

I did that, too. badhair77 May 7 #63

We need to go back to blue book exams in person. SidneyR May 7 #39

Professors are using AI to grade papers. It's pathetic. nt SunSeeker May 7 #44

As John Stossel said thirtyish years ago on 20//20 "Cheating is good" Clouds Passing May 7 #48

I am a teacher. Balatro May 7 #49

I used multiple choice questions and scantrons but I write the questions and badhair77 May 7 #64

The worst part is, THEY DON'T CARE. LisaM May 7 #51

Neil deGrasse Tyson said something I'll never forget ybbor May 7 #52

there is the incentive to pile up degrees and credentials to get a jump in the hiring process Demovictory9 May 7 #54

"I spend so much time on TikTok," she said. "Hours and hours, until my eyes start hurting, which makes it hard to plan Demovictory9 May 7 #55

AI is going to take many of their jobs madville May 7 #56

this is kind of hilarious: students in her Ethics and Tech class used AI to respond to "Briefly introduce yourself and Demovictory9 May 7 #57

"Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from university with degrees, and into the workforce, who are essentia Demovictory9 May 7 #58

It's so depressing that it has been happening so fast. I knew it would hurt education, but didn't expect highplainsdem May 7 #65

i hated papers, but i almost always did fresh subjects, art school for sure. cannibalism in hs. habbit or acquired taste pansypoo53219 May 8 #68

There are ways to adjust to the new environment ecstatic May 8 #73

US Colleges are archaic so perhaps this will finally prompt them to update GreatGazoo May 8 #76

I think we're rapidly heading to the point Diraven May 8 #77