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Sympthsical

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Fri May 9, 2025, 10:36 AM

May 9

I recently started reading Pillars of the Earth by Kenneth Follett during my down time at work. If you're not familiar, it's historical fiction that takes place during the Anarchy about various people managing the instability while trying to build a cathedral. It's pretty good. Taking forever to finish since it's close to 1,000 pages, and I'm reading in bits and pieces throughout the day, lol.

Right now I'm at the point between the exchange of Stephen and Robert of Gloucester and the Siege of Oxford. I believe the novel goes all the way to Henry II and Becket. Its main thread is how bishops and barons began to behave with their own autonomy - and impunity - during this collapse of central authority.

There are five books total taking place in various eras of the Middle Ages. Pillars is book one. Really enjoying it so far. Fairly light reading as these things go, but so. very. long. lol.

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Robert Prevost, now Leo XIV, is not the first "American" pope [View all] onenote May 8 OP

And Francis was Italian, which is always overlooked. Srkdqltr May 8 #1

Francis was born in Argentina... k8conant May 9 #106

Hear, hear! Thank you! ZDU May 8 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author MLAA May 8 #3

ok Torchlight May 8 #4

You do know that American edhopper May 8 #5

No he is not the first American pope malaise May 8 #6

The locals in Britain, France, Germany, Morocco, and Ireland all referred to me as an American. TomSlick May 8 #10

I'm an American NewLarry May 8 #27

Many of us are USERs TexLaProgressive May 8 #62

Show me where people from other countries edhopper May 8 #22

Here's where: specifically, Spain, where I used to live DFW May 8 #63

And people who speak English? edhopper May 8 #75

Europeans don't change their terminology when speaking a foreign language (such as English). DFW May 8 #76

Okay edhopper May 9 #79

Do you speak German, French, Swedish, Italian, Greek, Dutch and Norwegian? DFW May 10 #113

I lived in Latin America for 5 years, they call people from the US "Americanos", not "Norte Americanos" EX500rider May 9 #103

I can't dispute that except for Ecuador DFW May 9 #111

So people from Mexico are just called Americans? Self Esteem May 8 #33

He is American malaise May 8 #38

So, he's the first American pope. Self Esteem May 8 #39

He was born in Italy mcar May 8 #59

The new pope has Peruvian citizenship malaise May 8 #66

"Pssst - the new pope has dual citizenship - corrected" UTUSN May 9 #105

Incorrect. Of course the US allows dual (or more) citizenship, look at me (I hold US, UK, and Swedish citizenships). Celerity May 9 #109

Pope Francis was born in Argentina IronLionZion May 8 #72

As I said, I take your point mcar May 8 #64

People from outside the USA including from the Americas JI7 May 9 #94

People from outside the USA including from the Americas JI7 May 9 #95

People from outside the USA including from the Americas JI7 May 9 #96

Not at my first daily newspaper job...my knuckles got rapped royally for referring to an allegorical oracle May 9 #97

I never like it when people say "American" and actually mean United States citizen. sdfernando May 8 #7

What should we be called then? edhopper May 8 #23

Damn yankee. Or yanqui. erronis May 8 #46

There are a whole bunch of folks edhopper May 8 #47

"From the United States" has worked fine for me nilram May 8 #52

Here comes the edhopper May 8 #54

Here comes the first Pope from the United States. nilram May 9 #86

The Allies in WWII edhopper May 9 #88

Just heard it on the news, "the first pope from the US." nilram May 9 #99

Nothing wrong with that edhopper May 9 #100

And nothing awkward, either. nilram May 10 #114

What do you call someone from the US? Self Esteem May 8 #34

Based on the fact that Trump is President Bluestocking May 8 #45

Just edhopper May 8 #49

70 percent did not vote for Harris. Bluestocking May 8 #56

To repeat: Damn yankee. Or yanqui. erronis May 8 #48

You call yourself an American because you're from the US. Self Esteem May 8 #73

A gringo? fierywoman May 8 #78

In Spain and Germany, actually, yes. DFW May 9 #112

In Europe, the Americas are considered a single continent. flor-de-jasmim May 8 #8

But I have never seen a European refer to anyone other than a US citizen as American prodigitalson May 8 #12

Yes, I live in Europe (Sweden), have been to almost every European nation state, and have never heard anyone other than Celerity May 8 #42

Imagine how cool your passport would look if you prodigitalson May 10 #115

I used to travel almost exclusively on my British passport, but now, post-Brexit, I use my Swedish one. The only Celerity May 10 #118

Yeah, "Unitedstatesian" is a bit cumbersome... Wounded Bear May 8 #25

Yanqui. erronis May 8 #50

Many in the Southern U.S. would object to that term n/t markpkessinger May 9 #87

In the spirit of the times, Let's rename ourselves delisen May 8 #70

What do they call someone from the US - or Brazil for that matter? Self Esteem May 8 #35

Bollocks. The continents are "North America" and "South America". muriel_volestrangler May 9 #83

Indeed. He's the second. ancianita May 8 #9

Exactly right and well put. Let the naysayers die on this hill. Silly stuff. FadedMullet May 8 #14

What do you call someone from the US? Self Esteem May 8 #36

What the world calls them -- an American. ancianita May 8 #37

So he is the first American pope... Self Esteem May 8 #40

Yanqui. erronis May 8 #51

I recall spanish class dwp6577 May 8 #11

What's the A in USA? IronLionZion May 8 #13

I usually enjoy a bit of pointless Internet pedantry Sympthsical May 8 #15

Thank you. Oopsie Daisy May 8 #18

this thread partially reminds me of some of the threads about the cringe (and Dem vote repellent) that is 'Latinx' Celerity May 9 #80

We're extremely skilled at Arguments No One Asked For Sympthsical May 9 #82

No one who agrees with the OP can take any issue with Trump renaming the Gulf Of Mexico to the Gulf of America, using Celerity May 9 #110

I'm missing something. AverageOldGuy May 8 #16

What. You can't Google him? ancianita May 8 #20

Born and raised in South Chicago, Bishop of Chiclayo Peru, Cardinal of Santa Monica Italy. IronLionZion May 8 #30

There is a video of his brother speaking of him on the DU video links. nt ShazamIam May 8 #60

From what I have looked at so far Meowmee May 8 #77

LOL Oopsie Daisy May 8 #17

The world understands the difference between "the first American Pope" and "the first Pope..... FadedMullet May 8 #19

And we did say first Pope from the Americas when Pope Francis was elected. IronLionZion May 8 #31

First Pope from an English-speaking country since Adrian IV (England) died in 1159 (who was the only one until now). Celerity May 8 #21

Technically, did 12th Century people from England really speak "english?" Wounded Bear May 8 #28

I almost asked that malaise May 8 #41

early Middle English Celerity May 8 #44

The Dan Jones Plantagenet docu-series is great Sympthsical May 8 #68

Thank you! Eleanor was awesome! biophile May 8 #69

Right? Sympthsical May 9 #81

Yes love that book. Lots of historical perspectives on life in the Middle Ages. I didn't know that there were more biophile May 9 #91

I will put it on my list! Sympthsical May 9 #92

I just looked it up... Pope Leo was on Sept 14, 1955 in Cha May 8 #24

So the first Illinoisian Pope? erronis May 8 #53

Thank you for important clarification! bluboid May 8 #26

On brand Prairie Gates May 8 #29

Brilliant move by the Catholic Church. roamer65 May 8 #32

We could call him the first Yankee Pope Hassler May 8 #43

The first Yank pope... California Kid May 8 #55

Francis was born in Italy mcar May 8 #57

No. Francis was born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936 in Flores, a neighbourhood of Buenos Aires, Argentina. Celerity May 8 #61

Technically, maybe. But the whole world calls folks born in U. S. A. Americans. Joinfortmill May 8 #58

Right DavidDvorkin May 8 #67

Oy JoseBalow May 8 #65

He's the First born in the United States of America JustAnotherGen May 8 #71

Hope you feel better Renew Deal May 8 #74

When I was visiting Europe, and I had people ask me where I was from, I would respond "The U.S." Aristus May 9 #84

This is kinbda dumb. Happy Hoosier May 9 #85

... W_HAMILTON May 9 #89

I got sharply rebuked... róisín_dubh May 9 #90

Mexicos full name is United Mexican States Kaleva May 10 #116

Yes I'm aware. róisín_dubh May 10 #117

Yeah, he is. BlueTsunami2018 May 9 #93

Only people in some countries, like Argentina, care about this subject Wanderlust988 May 9 #98

I'm sure if you asked anyone born and living in any country south of ours "Are you an American?" Wonder Why May 9 #101

There is such a thing as common usage senseandsensibility May 9 #102

Rec'd Kaleva May 9 #104

Jesus. nt LexVegas May 9 #107

America is in our name Raine May 9 #108