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ancianita

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41. Source your claims of "lots of evidence" for Homer, or anything else, or you're not credible.
Fri May 9, 2025, 01:49 PM
May 2025

Mythologies are made up stories indeed, whether they teach life lessons or explain nature.

Both the Jewish faith and Catholic Church belief systems and existence today, however, are fact based.
You can Google about them and test your claims. And remember as you date things, that all civilizations have begun with an official oral culture before those histories were written down on scrolls.

The Old and New Testaments of the Bible are both supported by a substantial amount of documentary and archaeological evidence.
The Old Testament, also known as the Hebrew Bible, has its textual integrity well-established through the existence of multiple manuscript copies, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to 200 B.C. to A.D. 68. These scrolls, along with other ancient copies, provide strong evidence that the text we have today is largely identical to what was originally written.
The New Testament, while its original manuscripts are no longer extant, also has strong support through the existence of numerous early copies, both in Greek and other languages, which demonstrate a high degree of agreement with each other.

Here's a more detailed look at the evidence.

Dead Sea Scrolls:
.The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which contain a near-complete set of Old Testament books (except one), provides invaluable insight into the textual history of the Old Testament. These scrolls, dating back to the first century BCE, confirm that the text we have today is very similar to what was written centuries before.

Masoretic Text:
The Masoretic Text, a standardized version of the Hebrew Bible developed by Jewish scribes over centuries, also provides strong support for the textual integrity of the Old Testament.

The Septuagint:
The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, also provides a valuable source of textual comparison and corroboration.

New Testament Early Greek Manuscripts:
The New Testament has a vast number of early Greek manuscripts, both fragmentary and complete, dating back to the second century CE. These manuscripts, though not the original autographs, provide a high degree of textual agreement with each other, demonstrating a high degree of textual integrity.

Patristic Writings:
Early Christian writings, known as Patristic literature, often quote and reference the New Testament, providing further evidence of its textual transmission and usage in the early church.

Archaeological Evidence:
While not directly related to the text itself, archaeological evidence can corroborate events and settings described in the New Testament, lending credibility to the historical accuracy of the narratives.
In summary: Both the Old and New Testaments are supported by a substantial amount of textual and archaeological evidence, which demonstrates their general historical and textual integrity. While the Bible is not a primary source of historical information in the same way as other historical texts, it offers valuable insights into the past and is well-supported by available evidence.

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/aug/27/british-library-lends-worlds-oldest-bible-british-museum

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Hopefully that includes the US Catholic clergy. paleotn May 2025 #2
It is not clear to me that the Church ever learned anything from all these cases of predatory priests Bluetus May 2025 #4
The thing I learned in seminary was that one reason it's so hard to change the Catholic church intheflow May 2025 #6
And thus. condemned to the lowest common denominator Bluetus May 2025 #14
American society isn't the world. The American Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church. ancianita May 2025 #9
It seems more to me that "man" built this heirarchy, not Christ. erronis May 2025 #13
I hear you. I have to say, tho', that if you take Jesus at his word, you would know that a Church on six continents ancianita May 2025 #23
Or, you could listen to Jesus say that he was a man, not God. intheflow May 2025 #40
If you care to you could skim words (e.g., of Luke & John) & see Jesus call the Jewish God "Father" 165 times in the NT ancianita May 2025 #46
LOL FrankBooth May 2025 #42
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This all happened CENTURIES after Jesus lived. Bluetus May 2025 #16
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Perhaps not, but doesn't it seem just a little bit strange Bluetus May 2025 #31
No. Historical Judaism looked nothing like Rabbinical DenaliDemocrat May 2025 #39
Not so. I'm as well read and educated as anyone, and I'll tell you this: you have to reread history, but ancianita May 2025 #24
I am sorry. I couldn't understand a single thing you wrote. Bluetus May 2025 #28
Okay, cool. ancianita May 2025 #30
Thanks for the clarification. Bluetus May 2025 #34
There's really scant evidence that some guy named Jesus encompassed all that's been written about him... paleotn May 2025 #29
sigh... ancianita May 2025 #32
Sigh is right. paleotn May 2025 #35
Source your claims of "lots of evidence" for Homer, or anything else, or you're not credible. ancianita May 2025 #41
...... paleotn May 2025 #48
Again. ancianita May 2025 #50
Credible. In this context. paleotn May 2025 #52
So all the New Testament writers never met him & are lying. ancianita May 2025 #33
Is this some kind crusade? paleotn May 2025 #36
Sounds like a projection posing as a question. ancianita May 2025 #43
No, it's a question. paleotn May 2025 #49
People in cults generally don't realize they're in cults NoRethugFriends May 2025 #55
Jesus was likely NOT illiterate DenaliDemocrat May 2025 #38
He knew way more than the Pharisees, Sadducees, even, because many called him Rabbi when they questioned him ancianita May 2025 #44
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