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WSHazel

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Reply to Hellbound Hellhound (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 13, 2025, 11:06 AM

Jun 13

Your post was:

For the sake of argument let's say I was in Israel's shoes and I wanted to send a message to Iran. Here's my checklist.

1. Wipe out everyone beneath the head honcho and his immediate cronies. This sends the message that "You could be next".
2. Strike at strategic military sites preemptively. This sends the message of "We can neuter you when we want and where we want."
3. (And this is kind of prediction for the future so don't quote me here) Show of force using a secondary target. In this case, my bet would be somewhere in Gaza. Sort of a "Shock and Awe" moment, so Gaza should probably be preparing.
4. Direct confrontation. Steamroll Gaza, show up at Iran's door.
5. And only after ALL THAT would I consider targetting the big boss Khamenei himself.

Israel's following a pretty standard military history playbook. Kill the big man first, someone replaces him. Kill everyone around him, THEN the big boss? No one to replace him and anyone who tries knows exactly what will happen if they fuck around.

That sounds a lot more like a policy endorsement than a thought exercise.

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Israel is a rogue state [View all] malaise Jun 13 OP

It is highly likely they used US intelligence to execute that attack WSHazel Jun 13 #1

Israeli intelligence Mountainguy Jun 13 #3

Is this the same Israeli intelligence WSHazel Jun 13 #19

And the same US intelligence that Mountainguy Jun 13 #23

Whatabout rebuttal WSHazel Jun 13 #34

Lol Mountainguy Jun 13 #36

Heehee. I think he got you with the meth heads on kites rejoinder. brush Jun 13 #43

You could use Google Maps to execute this attack. It's not exactly difficult to locate Iran's strategic areas. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #5

And another one who has no idea of what they're talking about. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #7

I was just saying it's simple for modern countries, and it's certainly no rocket science. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #8

I didn't mean you, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #9

My bad brother, it's early and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. XD Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #10

No, never even heard of that. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #12

Lol! No worries. I've been a computer junkie since MacOS so unfortunately I was bred on 'em. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #13

Did the Iranian theocracy collapse this morning? WSHazel Jun 13 #16

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #20

I can't ForgedCrank Jun 13 #39

It really is incredible. Israel outplayed Iran here with years of planning Arazi Jun 13 #46

You are right, ForgedCrank Jun 13 #51

Yup. Even Jordan is on Team Israel Arazi Jun 13 #57

If I had ForgedCrank Jun 13 #62

Agreed. I'm more concerned with the Egyptian "street" erupting Arazi Jun 13 #63

There's always someone next in line in any hierachy. And Israel is just the US's attack dog in ME,has been for decades. brush Jun 13 #44

Of course there's always someone next in line, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #48

Time is right. But the idea that a coountry in that region, Israel, Iran, Arabia... brush Jun 13 #50

It may be far fetched to our western thinking, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #53

Possible, but it's quite possible they're familiar with the concept of mutually assured destruction. brush Jun 13 #58

Iran's mullahs are fanatics. Like Hamas, they don't care about fallout Arazi Jun 13 #60

Sure, they want to die too, can't wait. brush Jun 13 #64

You're looking at this thru western eyes Arazi Jun 13 #66

Please. Thru human eyes. We all have survival instincts. Your bias towards Muslims is clouding your judgement by.... brush Jun 13 #70

Sigh. Not bias at all. Iran is led by religious fanatics Arazi Jun 13 #71

"Their people vehemently do NOT want to die." At least you got that part right. brush Jun 13 #76

Oh ffs, just stop. Attacking DUers is shitty Arazi Jun 13 #78

Not attacking DUers. Maybe exposing one to the inconsistencies of their statements. brush Jun 13 #80

Nothing I said is inconsistent Arazi Jun 13 #92

Heehee. Those two sentences are a perfect example of inconsistent statements. brush Jun 13 #93

Bibi was elected, unlike the psychopaths who run Iran. Mosby Jun 15 #109

Too bad for Israel. It's stuck with the waromgering war criminal who keeps widening the war. brush Jun 15 #117

The same Western eyes that sit by and watch Israel murder and starve malaise Jun 13 #105

No one is starving. Mosby Jun 15 #110

And how were Hamas survival instincts? I believe IDF has offed all the top guys who planned 10/7 now EX500rider Jun 13 #90

Hamas? The terrorists hiding in caves? Who's talking about them? brush Jun 13 #91

I sure hope we don't have to ever find out, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #61

Iran won't fire a nuclear ballistic missle into Israel Mosby Jun 13 #72

I didn't necessarily mean firing a nuke into Israel, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #87

Really? WSHazel Jun 13 #15

Put simply, overconfidence is killer. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #17

This was a mass assassination attempt, not an attack on nuclear assets WSHazel Jun 13 #22

Comical Mountainguy Jun 13 #24

Why are so many people defending Trump? WSHazel Jun 13 #27

Because Iran is Mountainguy Jun 13 #29

Should America go to war with every country it doesn't like? WSHazel Jun 13 #40

Why are you defending nuclear proliferation? Mosby Jun 15 #111

Wasn't that the same rationale for invading Iraq? WSHazel Jun 15 #113

Yeah but that was a neocon lie. Mosby Jun 15 #116

So here's the thing. Killing EVERYONE just creates a power vacuum. It means those next in line ascend. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #25

You think Gaza needs more shock and awe? WSHazel Jun 13 #33

Who said anything about what I think? Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #38

You did WSHazel Jun 13 #41

It's called a tactical assessment. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #42

Israel doesn't need US Intelligence assets, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #6

You assume facts not in evidence sarisataka Jun 13 #31

And yet GaYellowDawg Jun 13 #2

No thanks, I prefer the rational Western world to Iran's world. Fuck Iran. They deserve everything they're getting. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Jun 13 #4

Netanyahu is a real monster. milestogo Jun 13 #11

Iran's mullahs are far FAR worse. They're a death cult Arazi Jun 13 #54

Iran murders women for not wearing head coverings mcar Jun 13 #73

I love Western complicity! ❤️ tritsofme Jun 13 #14

Why ? JI7 Jun 13 #18

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a rogue state. madaboutharry Jun 13 #21

They are too, no doubt. nt Gore1FL Jun 13 #30

Thoughts about Trump's involvement, he refused to comment on whether he was involved Bev54 Jun 13 #26

Lying liars lie malaise Jun 13 #32

Depending on the outcome, he'll either take complete credit for it, or totally disavow the operation. sop Jun 13 #68

When Iran flung hundereds of drones and missiles at Israeli cities sarisataka Jun 13 #28

*terrorist state nt Rob H. Jun 13 #35

wow...this is some kind of thread stillcool Jun 13 #37

And Hamas are freedom fighters. nt LexVegas Jun 13 #45

Obvious straw man is obvious WSHazel Jun 13 #49

I believe this is a reference to an argument made by the OP. tritsofme Jun 13 #55

It is not a strawman if sarisataka Jun 13 #97

What does that make Iran? onenote Jun 13 #47

A neutered state? egduj Jun 13 #52

No problem with that. onenote Jun 13 #59

I sure hope so. GaYellowDawg Jun 14 #108

By definition some_of_us_are_sane Jun 13 #56

It's been rogue for a bit longer. By that definition. AloeVera Jun 13 #77

How many countries in the Security Council will vote in favor of this aggression? How will Trump;s ambassador vote? Ping Tung Jun 13 #65

Whatever the resolution will be, China and Russia will vote in Iran's favor. Beastly Boy Jun 13 #83

And, Trumpers will vote for war. Ping Tung Jun 13 #85

In the UN? Beastly Boy Jun 13 #94

I doubt that it won't. Ping Tung Jun 13 #96

Well, that rules out a vote on cookie recipies. Beastly Boy Jun 13 #99

Netanyahu is a war criminal PJMcK Jun 13 #67

Poor Iran mcar Jun 13 #74

Israel is ruled by a fascist criminal dictator who has the courts in his pocket, just like the US nazi dictator. nt ImNotGod Jun 13 #69

Iran murders women for not wearing head coverings mcar Jun 13 #75

Actually that is not true. AloeVera Jun 13 #103

Well, aren't they wonderful mcar Jun 13 #106

Israel enid602 Jun 13 #79

Yes. The timing is perfect for Netanyahu and the religious lunatics running the genocide. AloeVera Jun 13 #81

That is as silly of a wag the dog reasoning as I have ever seen. Beastly Boy Jun 13 #84

Well, Mossfern Jun 13 #88

Israel enid602 Jun 13 #89

The Middle East... hell, the whole world, is full of states far more rogue than Israel. Beastly Boy Jun 13 #82

There is no scenario where I take Iran's side. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 13 #86

Oh, but Iran isn't, right? MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #95

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 13 #98

K&R GoodRaisin Jun 13 #100

Support Israel ... stop the madness of Iran!!!! nt Raine Jun 13 #101

Support human beings. H2O Man Jun 13 #104

By supporting the overthrow of a regime Raine Jun 14 #107

How did Iran of all places get the benefit of a doubt? RandySF Jun 13 #102

Because of antisemitism. Mosby Jun 15 #112

The majority of the world know the differences between anti-Semitism malaise Jun 15 #114

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism - the ADL. You dont get to redefine bigotry. nt LexVegas Jun 15 #118

Everything that criticizes actions of Israel is not antisemitism. PufPuf23 Jun 15 #119

No edhopper Jun 15 #115