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Igel

(37,242 posts)
7. Drone atttacks in Pakistan.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:36 AM
Jun 2025

Joining with a European force to strike Libya.

We bombed in Yemen and in Somalia.

No, that wasn't Trump or Bush II or Bush I or Reagan. That was Obama. (and I leave out Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria as givens; did we ever have explicit Congressional authorization for our involvement in Syria? Oh--that was under the generic AUF for Bush II after 9-11).

Just pointing out that there was a lot of dissent over stretching and stretching again that AUF to include things never intended. Yet we still pretend that Congress explicitly authorized all those things.

As for oversight, that's post hoc. You don't oversee during the process--Congress doesn't have that power. Oversight is after action--maybe before other on-going actions, but you conduct oversight investigations about what has been not will be.

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This brings up another question. Renew Deal Jun 2025 #1
Does NATO claim that if a member MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #38
When was this mythical time when the United States didn't do shit like this? DavidDvorkin Jun 2025 #2
Yeah, I'm 67 and I don't remember a time when the US didn't do shit like this. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2025 #3
I'm also 67, and I don't remember such a time, and learned of none in history. mucholderthandirt Jun 2025 #46
Never! We've never had a president unilaterally bomb a sovereign nation WITHOUT Congressional action of some sort maxrandb Jun 2025 #4
Drone atttacks in Pakistan. Igel Jun 2025 #7
The threshold for war by executive decision has steadily been lowered Martin Eden Jun 2025 #11
AUF? MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #39
Because in the end, even the Democratic presidents feel the need to appear to be Macho, Macho men. LiberalArkie Jun 2025 #41
Sorry, but presidents have hit military targets in the mideast without following the War Powers Resolution many times. onenote Jun 2025 #15
We have also never had a president that has completely destroyed our system of alliances. flashman13 Jun 2025 #20
No, but during the cold war we cozied up to multiple far-right authoritarian governments, Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #25
We overthrew a democratically elected Chilean government MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #40
Maybe target governments &/or their citizens wised up to the point that snot Jun 2025 #5
Let's ask George Bush. republianmushroom Jun 2025 #22
No more rich people's wars! May they all eat each other! Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #6
Yes. I suspect the MIC and the war profiteers... ananda Jun 2025 #16
Interesting question hueymahl Jun 2025 #8
Definitely not when her Intelligence "chief" states there isn't any intelligence warranting a strike on Iran. MuchBetterThanThis Jun 2025 #9
nice try, but no. Javaman Jun 2025 #17
Inventing bogeymen to justify killing and war is as old as Cain and Abel. Ping Tung Jun 2025 #10
Truman began it Eisenhower popularized it and JFK believed wanderer54 Jun 2025 #32
I've forgotten so much stillcool Jun 2025 #12
Ahh, that is why Smedley Butler was chosen to be our new dictator in the "Business Plot" LiberalArkie Jun 2025 #42
I'm a US citizen living in Switzerland. Heidi Jun 2025 #13
Grinning despots gfarber Jun 2025 #14
No we haven't seen this movie before. This shit show can and will become much worse. flashman13 Jun 2025 #18
As you list all those countries ancianita Jun 2025 #19
A chart that has in its title "The Land of Israel"... is a little suspect, at least to me. AloeVera Jun 2025 #34
Out of the 15 you've got two doubtful exceptions. Might as well add Trump's preemptive strike on Iran, if you ancianita Jun 2025 #45
War is the history of the human race lonely bird Jun 2025 #21
I've never been more disgusted by my country than I have been the last 24 hours. Initech Jun 2025 #23
It's not "our country" but THIS administration---- Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #27
Even Marjorie Shit For Brains is opposed! Initech Jun 2025 #36
"...we've seen this movie before..." Wednesdays Jun 2025 #24
Wait !!?! H2O Man Jun 2025 #29
We ceded the moral high ground decades ago. yourout Jun 2025 #26
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2025 #28
It is a succinct expression of where political power comes from. David__77 Jun 2025 #30
I had friends who quit the Air Force when Nixon started openly bombing Cambodia. They kept their benefits. tirebiter Jun 2025 #31
Canada sees the U.S. as a threat now Bayard Jun 2025 #33
Rose tinted glasses. Our nation has always done shit like this. Lancero Jun 2025 #35
US Presidents attacking around the world ... TomWilm Jun 2025 #37
These are not all equal and this time it's worse MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #43
And I agree with most of your comment ... TomWilm Jun 2025 #44
Johnson was dead wrong about Vietnam MadameButterfly Jun 2025 #47
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