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WarGamer

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Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:44 PM
Jun 2025

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Robert E. Lee almost accepted the position as commander of all Union Armies...

Secession didn't all happen at once.

The Confederacy that fired on Sumter wasn't the same Confederacy that fought the War.

The original Confederacy was SEVEN States.

For example, in early 1861, Virginia held a State Convention and pro-Unionist support was greater than pro-Confederacy.

Lincoln made a crucial mistake after Sumter.

He ordered the assembly of 750,000 from the REMAINING States, meaning Virginia would have to fight other Southern States.

This triggered concerns over State's Rights, regional alliances and being forced to "choose sides".

In retrospect, if Lincoln had called up volunteer troops from Northern States like Illinois, New York, New Jersey and Mass...

Then Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas and Tennessee would have never joined the Confederacy...

Then Robert E Lee probably takes command of the Union armies in 1861 and defeats the much weaker 7 States of the Confederacy within a year.

BTW, Breckenridge wasn't a "top General" of Lee... he served mostly in the West, only serving under Lee for a short period of time, late in the war. I wouldn't count him in Lee's "top 20 Generals"

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Republicans needed a precedent for Nixon justaprogressive Jun 2025 #1
It was Gen. Grant who prevented Lee from being prosecuted Kaleva Jun 2025 #2
Andrew Johnson pardoned Jeff Davis, Lee, and other Confederate leaders in December of 1868... kentuck Jun 2025 #4
Lee was never pardoned during his lifetime Kaleva Jun 2025 #9
The paperwork was misplaced, and rediscovered about that time. eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #16
Interesting! Kaleva Jun 2025 #21
whoa, thank you for sharing this! TacosUberAlles Jun 2025 #29
Grant later invited Lee to the WH. Times were different. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #17
Hard to tell what would've happened in Lincoln hadn't gotten assassinated. brush Jun 2025 #3
Being magnanimous in victory was not an innovation for Lincoln bucolic_frolic Jun 2025 #5
But anger and blame are only components of division. kentuck Jun 2025 #7
Great post! Akakoji Jun 2025 #6
Some details: WarGamer Jun 2025 #8
He led his troops at Shiloh... kentuck Jun 2025 #10
Lee wasn't AT Shiloh WarGamer Jun 2025 #11
Breckenridge commanded at Shiloh kentuck Jun 2025 #12
No... Breckenridge was a subordinate General to General Johnston at Shiloh... WarGamer Jun 2025 #13
Kentuck, those dates don't figure. Jeebo Jun 2025 #23
THe 17th Amendment allowed for the popular election of US Senators. kentuck Jun 2025 #34
John C. Breckenridge sweetapogee Jun 2025 #33
I've always asked that, and all the confederate Generals demosincebirth Jun 2025 #14
Grant prevented it. Kaleva Jun 2025 #15
See my reply #16. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #18
They had to unify the country. There were too many Southerners to give out Melon Jun 2025 #19
Andrew Johnson was something of a flip-flopper. Sometimes he supported strong measures against ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #20
In the early 21st century, Johnson is among those commonly mentioned as the worst presidents in U.S. history. Celerity Jun 2025 #26
Buchanan failed to prevent the Civil War, Johnson failed to consolidate victory. eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #31
Thank you kentuck for starting this interesting and informative thread! Kaleva Jun 2025 #22
About Jefferson Davis ... Jeebo Jun 2025 #25
+1 Kaleva Jun 2025 #27
If he did renounce his citizenship of the US, could the US have not recognised the Confederacy, which they probably did OnDoutside Jun 2025 #32
Lost Cause of the Confederacy Celerity Jun 2025 #24
"With malice toward none; with charity for all..." Buns_of_Fire Jun 2025 #28
I just wanted to say thank you everyone TacosUberAlles Jun 2025 #30
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