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eppur_se_muova

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20. Andrew Johnson was something of a flip-flopper. Sometimes he supported strong measures against ...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:08 PM
Jun 2025

the South (he approved executions for several in the assassination plot, including the woman who owned the boarding house where meetings were held, which many regarded as undeserved), and sometimes he adumbrated leniency. He refused to accept the surrender of one of the CSA armies in NC in exchange for not freeing slaves in NC, and the Confederates capitulated. Later he proposed very lenient terms for readmission to the Union, but also campaigned for the Presidency under the name of the Union Party (created by Lincoln when the Republicans refused to re-nominate a sitting President in wartime, but after his election absorbed into the Republican Party) in an election in which Southerners could not vote. Even a short summary of the tumult behind his eventual impeachment is filled with seeming, or sometimes real, contradictions. It would be very hard to figure out what his convictions were, if any, given his actions -- perhaps the one respect in which he most resembles the current Occupant of the WH. Turnip's convictions, however, are mostly obvious and transparent -- he cares about ME, ME, ME, and whatever inflates his own opinion of ME. Everything else is just background noise.

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Republicans needed a precedent for Nixon justaprogressive Jun 2025 #1
It was Gen. Grant who prevented Lee from being prosecuted Kaleva Jun 2025 #2
Andrew Johnson pardoned Jeff Davis, Lee, and other Confederate leaders in December of 1868... kentuck Jun 2025 #4
Lee was never pardoned during his lifetime Kaleva Jun 2025 #9
The paperwork was misplaced, and rediscovered about that time. eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #16
Interesting! Kaleva Jun 2025 #21
whoa, thank you for sharing this! TacosUberAlles Jun 2025 #29
Grant later invited Lee to the WH. Times were different. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #17
Hard to tell what would've happened in Lincoln hadn't gotten assassinated. brush Jun 2025 #3
Being magnanimous in victory was not an innovation for Lincoln bucolic_frolic Jun 2025 #5
But anger and blame are only components of division. kentuck Jun 2025 #7
Great post! Akakoji Jun 2025 #6
Some details: WarGamer Jun 2025 #8
He led his troops at Shiloh... kentuck Jun 2025 #10
Lee wasn't AT Shiloh WarGamer Jun 2025 #11
Breckenridge commanded at Shiloh kentuck Jun 2025 #12
No... Breckenridge was a subordinate General to General Johnston at Shiloh... WarGamer Jun 2025 #13
Kentuck, those dates don't figure. Jeebo Jun 2025 #23
THe 17th Amendment allowed for the popular election of US Senators. kentuck Jun 2025 #34
John C. Breckenridge sweetapogee Jun 2025 #33
I've always asked that, and all the confederate Generals demosincebirth Jun 2025 #14
Grant prevented it. Kaleva Jun 2025 #15
See my reply #16. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #18
They had to unify the country. There were too many Southerners to give out Melon Jun 2025 #19
Andrew Johnson was something of a flip-flopper. Sometimes he supported strong measures against ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #20
In the early 21st century, Johnson is among those commonly mentioned as the worst presidents in U.S. history. Celerity Jun 2025 #26
Buchanan failed to prevent the Civil War, Johnson failed to consolidate victory. eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #31
Thank you kentuck for starting this interesting and informative thread! Kaleva Jun 2025 #22
About Jefferson Davis ... Jeebo Jun 2025 #25
+1 Kaleva Jun 2025 #27
If he did renounce his citizenship of the US, could the US have not recognised the Confederacy, which they probably did OnDoutside Jun 2025 #32
Lost Cause of the Confederacy Celerity Jun 2025 #24
"With malice toward none; with charity for all..." Buns_of_Fire Jun 2025 #28
I just wanted to say thank you everyone TacosUberAlles Jun 2025 #30
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