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Ocelot II

(129,083 posts)
9. This is worth reading - a sensible perspective.
Fri Jun 27, 2025, 11:09 AM
Jun 2025

No paywall link: https://archive.is/kbIhX

When I was in law school some 40 years ago, I took a course in federal civil procedure (we called the class "Mystery Courts" because the rules and jurisdiction issues can be pretty arcane). At the time I had no idea there could be any such thing as a nationwide injunction; the issue was never discussed at all, and I just understood that a court's decision was limited to the parties to the case. But I've been out of the law business for awhile, so when a few years ago that crackpot Kacsmaryk in Texas tried to outlaw mifepristone for abortions on a nationwide basis I wondered, Can he even do that? I'd assumed that his power was limited to the parties to the case and was surprised to learn otherwise. I just read Barrett's decision, and I can't say that it's wrong, at least historically. This was a typically originalist decision. The modern problem, though, is that nationwide injunctions seem to be the only immediate remedy against nationwide executive orders that are arguably unconstitutional and that previous presidents weren't doing. While the decision is solid as a matter of precedent, it leaves plaintiffs in the position of having to challenge Trump's shitty EOs in multiple courts, with the possibility of inconsistent decisions to be sorted only at some later date, or file class actions, which are cumbersome. On the other hand, Kacsmaryk and similar judicial troglodytes are also sidelined, which is definitely a good thing.

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I disagree JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #1
Yeah, I am going with their dissent... Hugin Jun 2025 #2
Ian Millhiser, "random journo"? mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2025 #8
Ian Millhiser is no "random journo." Ocelot II Jun 2025 #14
We've reached the point where if he's not on the SCOTUS. Hugin Jun 2025 #17
Yep. It's now "catch me if you can" rule of law. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2025 #6
"should also benefit future Democratic administrations, assuming that the GOP-controlled Court applies it fairly" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2025 #3
They have ruled edhopper Jun 2025 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author surfered Jun 2025 #5
Agree. We aren't bound by 5th Circuit, arguably most right-wing federal appellate court in the country. Silent Type Jun 2025 #7
This is worth reading - a sensible perspective. Ocelot II Jun 2025 #9
Thanks for the archive. I swear it wasn't paywalled when I posted it 😂 In It to Win It Jun 2025 #11
Maybe it's only paywalled for me? Ocelot II Jun 2025 #12
I just clicked the link again. It's paywalled now. In It to Win It Jun 2025 #13
They busted you. Ocelot II Jun 2025 #15
I've said this before canetoad Jun 2025 #19
Thank you. I generally try to keep the fire from other people's hair Ocelot II Jun 2025 #20
Since this administration has shown contempt for due process , surfered Jun 2025 #10
He's giving this court the benefit of the doubt Arazi Jun 2025 #16
A couple of Class Action lawsuits have already been filed to get around this ruling LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #18
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