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109. You had better hope they don't end up taking anything similar to Obama's original offer

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:18 PM

Dec 2012

Or you're going to be stuck eating a crow the size of 3 Thanksgiving turkeys.

I still don't think we're out of the water yet RE: SS/Medicare cuts.

Obama has shown a propensity to cave to the other side in negotiations and give them more than they could ever hope for even if he doesn't really have to. The HCR bill showed he's not the best at understanding the enemy. He figures if he gives them the farm they want they'll be happy but then they decide they want the farm animals, the equipment and the neighbors farms too... and often times he bends over backwards to give them just that even if he only squeezes a tiny amount of votes out of them.

This time around will likely be no different. This wasn't a one time negotiation. Remember he put Simpson/Bowles in charge and seemed interested in their kill SS conclusions. I don't think that they put Chained CPI in there just to bluff the GOP. I think they truly want that cut. I feel like, as per the usual, Obama's team cares more about looking like they are moderates, ie willing to poke liberals in the eye, to try to win over the media and conservatives that they think are holding out but amenable to liking him.

It's a fool's errand really. Clinton also was dumb as shit about wanting the other side to like him and sacrificed us time and time again giving the GOP the very deregulations that Bush would use to cripple us with.

Sorry if I don't trust Obama. He spent 2008 talking like and campaigning as a liberal. Then he got into office and became better than the GOP could have imagined PLUS they got to campaign against the very ideas they really didn't mind much (because ultimately most of his policies benefited their corporate benefactors). I voted for him. I went strong as hell against Romney in every convo I could but he has never shown a particularly strong penchant for doing the right thing for the people without caving to the GOP and their masters in some way or another.

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Tell me more about how this White House doesn't know how to negotiate, we're all fucked, etc... [View all] WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP

pleased to give the first rec CatWoman Dec 2012 #1

It think it is "proceed Governor" quaker bill Dec 2012 #2

I think it's now "Proceed, Speaker". JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12

Boehner should realize Flatpicker Dec 2012 #37

LOL! klook Dec 2012 #98

Or Hire an Escort n/t Yavin4 Dec 2012 #239

It's called Merlot watoos Dec 2012 #140

Haha. Boner couldn't get it up! I dare Leno or Letterman to say it. OK, maybe coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #107

The President got lucky. cali Dec 2012 #3

Did he, now? MineralMan Dec 2012 #6

Yes he did. truebrit71 Dec 2012 #225

Uff da! WoodyD Dec 2012 #310

Um, right. He couldn't POSSIBLY guess that the Tea Party would stand up to Boehner... brooklynite Dec 2012 #14

I'm sure Obama has ears in the chambers to report on what is happening. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #287

Thanks much. A dozen times a day I think this whenever I come here appacom Dec 2012 #302

That makes 6 times he's "got lucky" now, by my count Recursion Dec 2012 #34

And with randomness, that's possible. nt caseymoz Dec 2012 #163

And as likely as any other given sequence, yes (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #202

no, its not pasto76 Dec 2012 #289

And you don't know what numbers mean in reality. caseymoz Dec 2012 #293

Well said. nt freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #297

Thats what Republicans have said about him everytime he has won anything. phleshdef Dec 2012 #35

i don't mind if the republicans keep underestimating him 0rganism Dec 2012 #89

I agreed; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #131

I doubt after re-election they underestimate him. caseymoz Dec 2012 #222

Predictable. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #39

He jumped the line. Don't you get it. He jumped the line! alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #79

+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #195

Ditto for me!! rury Dec 2012 #276

lol just like he got lucky in every campaign and political fight todate. grantcart Dec 2012 #53

Right you are grantcart goclark Dec 2012 #265

A DU Obama critic speaks! Just like I predicted in my post #41. Sad, really. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #58

Not really. It did not take a genius to figure out what would happen. Jennicut Dec 2012 #64

Your ongoing intense dislike of Obama is duly noted. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #68

Ah, BULLSHIT. cliffordu Dec 2012 #94

That's crap. He KNOWS who he's dealing with. Better than anyone in the blogosphere. -nt CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #122

I just choked a little... Javaman Dec 2012 #127

We make our own luck. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #130

I agree and it has set a precedent that SS is a bargaining chip. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #173

Trump? Is that you? fried eggs Dec 2012 #180

No, WE got lucky. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #190

+1 bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #203

"sick of this chess-playing nine-moves-ahead nonsense.If Obama really wanted to sink the Republican" stklurker Dec 2012 #221

Only bargaining chip freetrucker53 Dec 2012 #231

Fine. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #248

+ 1 n/t ejbr Dec 2012 #273

and "Chance favors the prepared mind". quaker bill Dec 2012 #194

To use one of your favorite terms...pathetic. Barack_America Dec 2012 #210

Same old cali. Never pleased about anything. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #214

He must be the luckiest motherfucker on the PLANET lol snooper2 Dec 2012 #238

The sooner you admit you've been wrong about Obama all along, the sooner the healing can begin. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #252

Will never happen. The delusional wing of the left. Similar to Tea Baggers, just different jargon. emulatorloo Dec 2012 #280

So? What's next Mr. President are you going to cut defense? I doubt it. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #263

Seriously? mimi85 Dec 2012 #264

Yeah, because who could have ever guessed that a gang of rabid shitweasels ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #306

Here come's the "cliff" MNBrewer Dec 2012 #4

Agreed customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #111

The president just got lucky like the bpositive Dec 2012 #5

what else can it be but luck, I mean he's not smart or anything. Whisp Dec 2012 #86

Kenyan Voodoo of some kind jberryhill Dec 2012 #223

wait a minute... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #7

Maybe not a death spiral Flatpicker Dec 2012 #44

hmmm... good point... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #52

I figure Flatpicker Dec 2012 #82

Well said... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #96

They didn't really try to pass it because they knew ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #234

that's kind of mean to the turtle. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #235

Heh ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #244

K&R MineralMan Dec 2012 #8

this board goes apeshit whenever sausage is being made.... spanone Dec 2012 #9

lols. Boner's sausage looks a bit flaccid about now n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #84

Haha. Can't stop laughing - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #108

LOL! OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #204

Wait...What?! Kahuna Dec 2012 #285

+1 Kahuna Dec 2012 #284

America will be fucked if any part of social security is on the table for Boner indepat Dec 2012 #10

I'm with you on this. Gotta love Obama, but won't play poker with him. Frustratedlady Dec 2012 #11

I, too, couldn't believe the ear-ear smile... ReRe Dec 2012 #220

Let us thank the Lord MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13

^^^ This ^^^ WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #16

I'd rather thank the Lord Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #18

This Solomon Dec 2012 #73

Exactly. But, blind hatred doesn't allow some to acknowledge this^^^^! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #169

What I find astounding Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #171

I laugh at 'em. They are as comical as the teabaggers who call the president.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #175

Oh, I hear ya! Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #183

I thought the Democrats were the enemy? joshcryer Dec 2012 #200

he is not a terrible negotiator Enrique Dec 2012 #15

I guess you are right if he didnt want single payer health insurance. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #166

I second that madokie Dec 2012 #17

For every OP like this, there are a half dozen saying it ain't good enough. freshwest Dec 2012 #172

There was no need to put SS on the table and I don't trust him to not do it again. forestpath Dec 2012 #19

If Obama's plan is to cut SS, he SUCKS at it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #23

I know! I was starting to get worried Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #38

And to be fair ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #95

well i was just freaking out on another thread. I admit it. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #123

The truly stupid thing about messing with SS is the people who receive it ... BlueJazz Dec 2012 #40

Proceed Speaker mcar Dec 2012 #20

Looks like Obama caved on caving. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21

Master Spelunker, that Obama. n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #22

I think it is fascinating on the fringes of both parties.... Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #43

ironically our fringe contiues a valued service in making the President look grantcart Dec 2012 #51

I'd say they make him look reasoned and thoughtful rather than simply ideological. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #87

Mmm hmm. Need to show in a hurry you're making concessions that piss off the left? Barack_America Dec 2012 #211

And both think he hates the middle class. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #80

He still offered it up. cui bono Dec 2012 #138

You sure about that? Hekate Dec 2012 #170

Jay Carney said that PBO put it in his proposal. At the Republican's request. cui bono Dec 2012 #291

BS. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #212

... Scurrilous Dec 2012 #246

Talk about BS. cui bono Dec 2012 #290

Thanks appacom Dec 2012 #303

Because he knew Alfuso Dec 2012 #281

And now it is out there to be put on the table at any time. cui bono Dec 2012 #292

Thats why Berserker Dec 2012 #24

It's the Mayan Gopocalypse!! nolabear Dec 2012 #25

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #26

I think tht is more the fault with a limp Boehner in the Speaker's chair than Obama. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #27

Obama has been capable of counting to 218 at least since 2nd grade Recursion Dec 2012 #28

HUH? Because the Teabagger Mob in the House Iggy Dec 2012 #29

They knew exactly who they were talking to. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #32

Nope, sorry. You just don't put SS on the table as a Dem. You just don't. cui bono Dec 2012 #145

Agree with you and the real Democrats were livid the SS system was put into play. byeya Dec 2012 #216

Yes, counting to 218 passes for good negotiation. It's something most on DU seem incapable of. Recursion Dec 2012 #42

I Intend to Continue.. Iggy Dec 2012 #56

I'm sorely tempted Control-Z Dec 2012 #30

Are you implying that he knew this would happen? NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #31

But... but... counting to 218 takes such incredible skills... Recursion Dec 2012 #54

The Prexy plays rope-a-dope riqster Dec 2012 #33

If he didn't put a gradual defunding of the program that has kept older Americans alive amandabeech Dec 2012 #188

I trust him. You, apparently, do not. riqster Dec 2012 #208

It's time to say good bye to the Orange man! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #36

but Cantor will be a new smarmy horror Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #45

I know... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #63

Damn right! But, mark my words, this will not quiet Obama's DU critics. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #41

I still haven't received my pony. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #49

Of course not--PBO's real world actions in one sense Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #65

Nor will it dissuade him from his efforts to cut SS which has nothing to do with the deficit. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #103

Nor should it. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #193

turn on CNBC and listen to every conservative lambast Boehner grantcart Dec 2012 #46

Spontaneous Combustion! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #106

Ah... 3 Dimensional Chess... What A Game... Remember How We Fooled 'Em Into The Public Option ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #47

I hate to say it, but I saw this coming. I did not comment on the doom threads, as bad as it looked. Gregorian Dec 2012 #69

I Have Always Said That I Hope I Am Wrong About My Suspicions... WillyT Dec 2012 #77

And we're supposed to raise a massive public outcry against bad ideas. If we don't speak up, Overseas Dec 2012 #112

and yet you jump to the absolute worst conclusion at the drop of a hat. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #255

LOL !!! I Have NO Personal Animosity For Obama... WillyT Dec 2012 #268

you act like you haven't been posting the same crap around here for years. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #304

Said The Guy Who Got Here, Thu Oct 13, 2011, 04:11 AM WillyT Dec 2012 #305

You guys always get pissed when someone actually recalls what you have been doing. Why is that? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #308

Ditto. What if the GOP had actually gone for it this time? What then? GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #206

Regarding the chained CPI....As a Democrat, you *never* offer to cut Social Security TheProgressive Dec 2012 #48

They knew the GOP couldn't accept the chained-CPI option because the GOP is never going.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #55

Then, there was no reason at all for Obama to 'put it on the table'... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #62

I don't recall that the President ever personally put chained CPI on the table.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #91

No offense, but it is naive to think Obama did not put it on the table... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #97

How about thinking Presidential-level politics is a lot more complex than you evidently believe? nt OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #101

I won;t get into a pissing contest with you - you put something on the table then, TheProgressive Dec 2012 #105

People say a lot of things in public but very little of it actually becomes reality.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #124

At that point it will be too late. cui bono Dec 2012 #141

The person you are having an exchange with does not believe that Carney cui bono Dec 2012 #142

pelosi herself called it "the president's plan" HiPointDem Dec 2012 #196

Exactly! +1 cui bono Dec 2012 #139

I said as much yesterday. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #50

Our President plays 3 Dimensional Chess melody Dec 2012 #57

Oh gawd... cui bono Dec 2012 #146

This was supposed to be a disputing argument? melody Dec 2012 #158

I love that my cogent reply was removed, but yours was allowed to remain. melody Dec 2012 #229

His opponents were playing Candyland. Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #215

Yup, pouting in the corner n/t melody Dec 2012 #230

that is like saying that whomever plays the Chiefs on a given Sunday knows how to play football dsc Dec 2012 #59

Hm... WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #74

They couldn't agree to their own speaker's $1 million tax hike; of course $400,000 was impossible alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #88

Clearly solara Dec 2012 #136

Yeah, Will. I am a good bluffer. When I can remember how, I love to play poker. juajen Dec 2012 #152

Go Raiders Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #253

The President plays chess while we all whine moan and complain about him caving loyalkydem Dec 2012 #60

Well put. n/t melody Dec 2012 #159

sure, he's just been yanking the chains of seniors, people that care about them stupidicus Dec 2012 #61

You know, Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #66

I agree with you: it would be so ungracious Hekate Dec 2012 #174

Obama: Wiser than a tree full of owls. DemoTex Dec 2012 #67

I avoid DU when the Obama bashers are on a rage Loudestlib Dec 2012 #70

Ditto.. This place has been very appealing for me the past few days. Kahuna Dec 2012 #286

K&R flamingdem Dec 2012 #71

So... BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author PragmaticLiberal Dec 2012 #75

I am always willing to do a happy dance at a Republican fail. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #76

yes proceed.. Mockingjay Dec 2012 #78

Eleventy-dimensional chess ... Not the good way CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #81

And just a week or two ago, the Senate repubs had to veto their own bill arcane1 Dec 2012 #83

I'm rather new here but..... OkieLib41 Dec 2012 #85

Not chicken, but follow the leader CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #90

Right. Good luck with that train of thought. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #100

I will enjoy serving you crow, my friend CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #143

They couldn't. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #92

That's sounds childish. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #104

And it was a stupid offer. cui bono Dec 2012 #147

The GOP is not about to publicly agree to eliminating the massive tax cuts to their.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #99

You are exaclty right. cui bono Dec 2012 #148

Excellent point!! Welcome to DU!!! nt DearHeart Dec 2012 #165

They could have, and it would've likely slid right into being policy. Marr Dec 2012 #323

I read somewhere that he is a good poker playing maybe he was bluffing kimbutgar Dec 2012 #93

Boner tried to draw to an inside straight. Oops! ROTFLMAO! - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #113

No shit. Thank you, Will. And for those naysayers, where's the babylonsister Dec 2012 #102

You had better hope they don't end up taking anything similar to Obama's original offer MessiahRp Dec 2012 #109

I don't get where Boehner's failure = Obama's success MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #110

I don't know the first thing about poker, but I sure am glad boner Autumn Dec 2012 #114

Its the freaking anxiety..... Historic NY Dec 2012 #115

Egads-- remember when Archie Bunker and his BS was a joke??? ailsagirl Dec 2012 #116

Next year Repubs: "Obama himself offered to it..." Bonobo Dec 2012 #117

They're dead. Dead, dead, dead. Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #118

We "won" what exactly? We shrewdly got what saying sit and spin would have from the last shit deal TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #119

. dionysus Dec 2012 #133

Did the American people get music lessons? Is that what your response means? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #250

BRAVO. If there are more like you in Kentucky, I'm moving there! AMAZING response. Wish I said that. BigBearJohn Dec 2012 #295

Ditto nt freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #299

We could use more, come on down. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #309

It was a thing of beauty Politicub Dec 2012 #120

Too many here have always thought the worst of Obama first Gman Dec 2012 #121

And this post exemplifies how fucked our party's compass is. woo me with science Dec 2012 #125

Thank you! cui bono Dec 2012 #149

This is SUCH a great post. I wish I could pin it to DU forever. PLEASE make an OP of it. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #154

Done woo me with science Dec 2012 #156

The Dems have been cheering Pyhrric victories at least since Clinton n/t deutsey Dec 2012 #217

And? MFrohike Dec 2012 #126

K&R. byronius Dec 2012 #128

sometimes, good things come to those who wait. juajen Dec 2012 #129

I am the first to defend Obama DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #132

I see this more as Boner's weakness than as Obama's strength customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #134

So DU is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #135

It's not about being on Obama's side or not. cui bono Dec 2012 #151

No offense but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #155

so cutting SS is being on the people's side? cui bono Dec 2012 #157

And given all that, he's at damn near 60% job approval. Go figure..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #179

Because the general public was relieved to get a Dem to replace GWB cui bono Dec 2012 #315

No one is "cutting SS". Oh, the drama! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #317

New question then maybe you'll answer the original one and others in that list. cui bono Dec 2012 #319

Obama didn't run against Bush. The candidate this year was MITT ROMNEY! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #320

Who said Obama ran against Bush? That has nothing at all to do with what I'm saying. cui bono Dec 2012 #321

These points are well taken Stewland Dec 2012 #298

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #161

Obama has still put SS on the table more than once now. cui bono Dec 2012 #137

I have to agree, senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #144

No sheet changing, eh??? And I mean that in the nicest way possible, Will. msanthrope Dec 2012 #150

At some point, is Obama going to give up his plan to reduce SS by using a chained-CPI? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #153

I keep thinking something is up, that we don't know the whole story Skittles Dec 2012 #160

Sounds more like the Republican Party knows how to stick to its guns while we throw the Fearless Dec 2012 #162

This is better, how? caseymoz Dec 2012 #164

Hitler? DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #167

I only said Hitler had a lucky streak . . . caseymoz Dec 2012 #184

point noted DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #186

I figured this would happen agentS Dec 2012 #168

Not to be too contrary, tavalon Dec 2012 #176

K&R. cliffordu Dec 2012 #177

Thank you Will Hekate Dec 2012 #178

The president agreed to harm social security quakerboy Dec 2012 #181

there's still 10 more days to go hfojvt Dec 2012 #182

Really all we have to go by is his previous deals with the republicans AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #185

Rec #184 lamp_shade Dec 2012 #187

All due respect - bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2012 #189

Confusing people with facts is an old tactic..... Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #191

This is absolute bullshit. aandegoons Dec 2012 #192

The President only cares about "the deal" T Roosevelt Dec 2012 #197

lawl, didn't you know, it's all over! joshcryer Dec 2012 #198

So there's a deal now? Social Security is no longer on any table and never will be? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #199

Great? joshcryer Dec 2012 #201

There is no deal. The objective of these negotiations was not 'no deal and Boehner looks bad' Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #205

Well said and I have the same question Liberalynn Dec 2012 #209

LOL, our side spins shit as bad as the GOP! Obama can do no wrong! Logical Dec 2012 #207

He can do plenty wrong, but generally not from a lack of wits. Barack_America Dec 2012 #213

Will, I've loved your OPs over the years.... blackspade Dec 2012 #218

Yep Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #219

So because Boner can't get his sheep in a row Obama is genius? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #224

Did I miss something? dawg Dec 2012 #226

The failure of Boehner's Plan B is exactly why Obama should have stood his ground. olegramps Dec 2012 #227

well heaven05 Dec 2012 #228

Kinda like having to beg your spouse everyday to not cheat on ya. jsr Dec 2012 #232

Boehner Johnny2X2X Dec 2012 #233

Bookmarked n/t Oilwellian Dec 2012 #236

Way past time JEB Dec 2012 #237

Sounds like a civics lesson might be in order? Obama has to "negotiate" with the..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #322

Maybe left leaning voters JEB Dec 2012 #324

There's always the Jill Stein Party, The Roseanne Party, The Rocky Anderson Party. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #326

Just keep sliding to the right? JEB Dec 2012 #327

I voted for BO JEB Dec 2012 #328

MMMMkay! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #329

I am glad of course Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #240

He opened the door to SS cuts while he he didn't have to - bread_and_roses Dec 2012 #241

Kindly tell me how he's going to get back all the concessions he has already offered BlueStreak Dec 2012 #242

generally an offer has to be made again once rejected arely staircase Dec 2012 #313

But they know he is willing to give up chained CPI and at least $400K as the income limit BlueStreak Dec 2012 #314

there is nothing to get back arely staircase Dec 2012 #316

The OP is way overoptimistic. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #243

The Negativity is strong with this one. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #256

And if they come back and accept his previous offer? ibegurpard Dec 2012 #245

DOOOOOOMED! DOOOOOOOOOMED! MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #247

i see the "obama lost the first debate" folks still don`t get it madrchsod Dec 2012 #249

If I spoke for the GOP, I would just say I couldn't accept a deal that would affect Social Security. djean111 Dec 2012 #251

To be fair, is it really that difficult to outwit the GOP? AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #254

"They think with their guns." Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #258

Thank you! Enthusiastic kicked and rec'd. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #257

Tell the two million unemployed that lose benefits at the end of the year about the negotiatons. former9thward Dec 2012 #259

They tell us they are going to give us pain if we don't give them what they want nolabels Dec 2012 #262

K&R closeupready Dec 2012 #260

Spin this: Luschnig Dec 2012 #261

Splain for us devoid of negotiating skills. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #266

Here's more. FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #267

They were playing taps for Boehner on NPR this morning. Robb Dec 2012 #269

"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Obama sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #270

Yeah, JEB Dec 2012 #325

They say the fight game is won by rounds. I think we just saw round 1. Ford_Prefect Dec 2012 #271

After all the "Obama puts SS on the table" and "Obama is caving" threads, CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #272

But..Will...he governs for "SOME DEMS"...but not for us ALL Here: KoKo Dec 2012 #274

So awesome! Thanks for posting this! Laughed out loud! Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #275

Negotiations are entering phase 2, but they aren't over until the deadline is passed. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #277

Did we suddenly get a deal that averts the fiscal cliff, doesn't touch Soc Sec, and Bake Dec 2012 #278

Will: thanks. Getting sick of these negative bullshit lying posts emulatorloo Dec 2012 #279

Because he's negotiating with himself! We were saved from Social Security cuts by..... Boner???? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #282

Two great Will Pitt threads from the past: Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #283

So much for Juries WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #288

not me Skittles Dec 2012 #294

YES!! SkyDaddy7 Dec 2012 #296

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, bvar22 Dec 2012 #300

+1. "Obama HAS violated the Cardinal Rule: Never Gamble with the Rent Money." grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #307

What Planet Do You Live On? Cause On This Planet, Not Only Have Changes to SS Been Discussed Skraxx Dec 2012 #318

if Obama doesn't pull a first debate on us - he could do tremendous good for this country samsingh Dec 2012 #301

K&R Better late than never, especially around here Number23 Dec 2012 #311

The back tracking is getting ridiculous. Rex Dec 2012 #312