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Kid Berwyn

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42. When NAZIs were welcomed to America via the post-World War II Ratlines.
Thu Jul 3, 2025, 10:33 AM
Jul 2025
The Nazi Hydra - Ratlines:The CIA &The Nazis

RoadsEnd
22 September 2002

Up until now we have only looked at the use of the German scientists in chemical and biological warfare. But in 1949 the work at Edgewood shifted focus and began looking at psychochemicals beginning with LSD in an effort to find the perfect truth serum. The key sources of information were from those that had worked at I.G. Farben. Some were imprisoned but they were released temporary to work for the Army Chemical Corps. This was the very birth of a much larger CIA operation that became known as MK Ultra. The original operation was Bluebird, which then evolved first into Artichoke before becoming MK-Ultra. Unfortunately CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the CIA records of MK-Ultra destroyed in 1973. Remaining records suggest hundreds if not thousands of people were used as test subjects and involved the collaboration with several universities, mental hospitals, prisons and drug rehab centers.106 The experiments were conducted without the test subjects knowledge and resulted in several deaths including that of Frank Olsen.

Others have reported being continuing problems from being test subjects. Others attempted suicide of which some were successful. The army's and CIA's response was to cover up the project. But the operation evolved beyond just the military-intelligence community. The CIA enlisted help with MK-Ultra with a host of university collaborators including the Universities of Delaware, Maryland and a host of others.105

Just as the immigration of Nazis and war criminals into the US involved the use of several projects of which Paperclip is the most widely known such is the case of MK-Ultra. There were 149 sub projects under MK-Ultra. The use of drugs for truth serum and for mind control were conducted under a bewildering list of Project or Operations. Below is a short synopsis of some of those projects.

"MKDELTA: This was apparently the first project established by the CIA in October, 1952, for the use of biochemicals in clandestine operations. It may never have been implemented operationally.

MKULTRA: This was a successor project to MKDELTA established in April, 1953, and terminating some time in the late 1960's probably after 1966. This program considered various means of controlling human behavior. Drugs were only one aspect of this activity.

MKNAOMI: This project began in the 1950's and was terminated at least with respect biological projects, in 1969. This may have been a successor to MKDELTA. Its purpose was to stockpile severely incapacitating and lethal materials, and to develop gadgetry for the dissemination of these materials.

MKSEARCH: This was apparently a successor project to MKULTRA, which began in 1965 and was terminated in 1973. The objective of the project was to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior in a predictable manner through the use of drugs.

MKCHICKWIT: This was apparently a part of the MKSEARCH program. Its objective was to identify new drug developments in Europe and Asia and to obtain information and samples.

MKOFTEN: This was also apparently a part of the MKSEARCH project. Its objective was to test the behavioral and toxicological effects of certain drugs on animals and humans."107

STARGATE: Investigated the use of ESP, paranormal, remote viewing military uses of telekinesis type research that was done from an uncertain start date up until 1984.116


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Newtie began calling Dems enemies LSparkle Jul 2025 #57
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My elderly mother understood it this way 10 years ago Captain Zero Jul 2025 #5
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Or "The 1619 Project" A HERETIC I AM Jul 2025 #28
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Right from the beginning, including slavery and slaughter of natives lostnfound Jul 2025 #9
I think the cruel streak has always been here genxlib Jul 2025 #12
We have always been this cruel. kentuck Jul 2025 #13
Always. Ask NAs, ask AAs. nt eppur_se_muova Jul 2025 #17
I told my DH, years ago Bettie Jul 2025 #14
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May 14th, 1607 when colonists landed at Jamestown. Ray Bruns Jul 2025 #41
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But "Just say NO" to self-medication after you've had all Heidi Jul 2025 #64
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We, as a collection of human beings, are no better than any other collection Ocelot II Jul 2025 #19
Excellent essay, and spot-on! Martin Eden Jul 2025 #66
When Obama won in 2008. ... aggiesal Jul 2025 #20
Do you know why MAGATs LOVE Donald Trump? Martin Eden Jul 2025 #21
They see some of themselves in him. Also, the rest is what they want to be. Oneironaut Jul 2025 #35
"structured in classes" reminds me of a quote by LBJ: Martin Eden Jul 2025 #49
Trump's campaign and presidencies brought out the worst in people IronLionZion Jul 2025 #23
The Original Sin was that Europeans stole this land from the rightful inhabitants Wicked Blue Jul 2025 #25
The prosperity of the US that grew so exponentially in the early years Ocelot II Jul 2025 #39
Trump, Rebl2 Jul 2025 #26
Actually 3auld6phart Jul 2025 #56
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Rush Limbaugh planted the seeds..it is now in full bloom ashredux Jul 2025 #29
It's always been there. JMCKUSICK Jul 2025 #31
It's racism. LuvLoogie Jul 2025 #32
I remember the GOP guy who pulled the pony tail of the female protester at the 2004 Rethug Convention. John1956PA Jul 2025 #33
I have theories about the evolution of the human brain... CaptainTruth Jul 2025 #36
I think it started to get bad with Tree Lady Jul 2025 #37
I think it started with Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, surfered Jul 2025 #38
When haven't we been this cruel? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2025 #40
When NAZIs were welcomed to America via the post-World War II Ratlines. Kid Berwyn Jul 2025 #42
May 14th, 1607 when colonists landed at Jamestown. Ray Bruns Jul 2025 #43
Humanity has always had streaks of cruelty EdmondDantes_ Jul 2025 #44
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire Ping Tung Jul 2025 #45
I don't think this is the entire answer, evemac Jul 2025 #46
It's always been there orangecrush Jul 2025 #47
This country has always been cruel SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2025 #48
Maybe all the women who were burned as witches can answer that. GoCubsGo Jul 2025 #50
You and I are of like minds. The cruelty is nothing new, just reported better with our new technology Attilatheblond Jul 2025 #54
A big % of Americans have ALWAYS been cruel. RW media fed that tendency to cruelty. More media exposed that cruelty Attilatheblond Jul 2025 #51
We've been that way Mblaze Jul 2025 #53
I understand and agree, but that is not the question Eliot Rosewater Jul 2025 #55
Growing up in SC, I was astonished by enigmania Jul 2025 #58
It was always cruel Kali999 Jul 2025 #59
1619 When the country was intialy settled AStern Jul 2025 #60
True.. the people who came here came because of inequality and cruelty and brought it with them. Srkdqltr Jul 2025 #67
Democrats want to do things... 3catwoman3 Jul 2025 #63
Resources and expectations Marthe48 Jul 2025 #68
It's in the original DNA SineQuaNon001 Jul 2025 #71
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