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haele

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14. Because there's still a lot of consumer myths about EVe
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 11:57 PM
Jul 2025

And many EV start-ups looked great to begin with, but couldn't market because EVe are considered expensive to begin with.
It's hard to sell an EV that's $10k more expensive than it's ICE counterpart unless you can really push the fact they're going to be way cheaper in the long run.
Consumers shouldn't worry about not being able to charge an EV quickly and less expensively. They shouldn't have to worry about battery longevity or maintenance.
I just got a terrific deal on a new $68k MSRP Hyundai Ionic 9 lease, in which the subsidy was the thing to bring the price point down to the level I could afford, instead of going with, say, a used "certified" low milage Santa Fe or Flex at around $30k to own.
Haven owned one before, I know I'd be paying several thousands a year - around 3 to 5 thousand minimum just on gas, oil changes, and regular maintenance, while I figure from what I've experienced so far with the Ionic, a slightly larger SUV, I'll be paying around $1200 a year on charges.
With an EV, depending on the time of day I charge the Ionic, at a fast charger I get around 325 miles (recommended 80% charge) for $15 - $25 if I started at 6% charge (equivalent of the "E" line on the fuel display). If I went for the full 100%, the manual says I can get up to 400 miles, depending on the roadway and my driving conditions, but 100% could shorten the expected 10 year lifespan of one or several of the batteries.

If I was buying gasoline for the 17 gallon tank (average sized tank) Santa Fe I'd be spending around $55 at the cheapest station I could find to fill up enough of the tank to get 350 miles driving "economy".
(The manual says it gets 450 for a tank, but that's interstate highway range in the Midwest; I've never managed to get more than 350 in a Santa Fe and typically got 330 city and highway driving before the low fuel light kicked on.)
Not to mention oil changes, fluid level checks, gaskets that can leak, air sensors that can go out, starter systems, transmission systems, ect...
Sure, there is the ability to fix ICE vehicles that isn't as present in an EV, but there are a lot fewer systems that can go wrong.
With an EV, it's all about how proven the technology is, and whether or not the manufacturer is serious about building a reliable brand.
Come to think of the, it's the same way with ICE cars, but they're easier to hide flaws with or how soon before a major repair is going to be needed when it's time to get rid of one than an EV is.


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Electric vehicles are great for a second car. pwb Jul 2025 #1
Love my EV as a daily commuter. nt LexVegas Jul 2025 #2
That picture is disturbing as hell. Dave Bowman Jul 2025 #3
I did a web search. It's the LEAST offensive of the bunch. usonian Jul 2025 #4
You almost have to appreciate the utter obliviousness RandomNumbers Jul 2025 #32
It's not obliviousness. They do it intentionally. Mariana Jul 2025 #42
Solid state EV's will be available right around the time Trump leaves office. Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #5
If their performance is that good, why the need for subsidies? MichMan Jul 2025 #6
The subsidies, IMO, are to encourage non-polluting vehicles (which is why Trump is removing them) and usonian Jul 2025 #9
If milk is so delicious, why the need for subsidies? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #10
We drink maybe a quart every 2 months MichMan Jul 2025 #12
Because there's still a lot of consumer myths about EVe haele Jul 2025 #14
I beg to differ on one point: cab67 Jul 2025 #15
Even though you would save $3500 per year on gas, you wouldn't have bought an EV without a $7500 tax credit MichMan Jul 2025 #20
And that's why I answered the question why a subsidy is still necessary... haele Jul 2025 #21
The subsidies are just being added to the national debt anyway. MichMan Jul 2025 #37
Yes and the student loan for the totally unnecessary degree I was required to get to keep my job.. haele Jul 2025 #45
If your degree was as useless as you describe, just how does it benefit the general public, both now and in the future ? MichMan Jul 2025 #46
It was useless as I was doing the same job with or without the degree... haele Jul 2025 #47
I've done the math. snot Jul 2025 #38
How about the subsidies for the oul and gas companies which dwarf the ev subsidies mahina Jul 2025 #36
100% TnDem Jul 2025 #40
Meh, I hope EV credits are not at the top of the Dem agenda fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #17
I agree, and I'm not antagonistic to EV credits at all. RandomNumbers Jul 2025 #33
price sells cars. lower the price enuff and they will fly off the lots...so to speak nt msongs Jul 2025 #7
Remove the BYD tariff. Their models start at under $30K. PSPS Jul 2025 #11
If the UAW wants to compete, they can either cut their wages in half or face plant closings, right? MichMan Jul 2025 #19
not to worry, there will be plenty of prison camp labor. uncle ray Jul 2025 #22
Yet UAW competes with truck and vans. haele Jul 2025 #24
Exactly! n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #25
You know that imported trucks have had 25% tariffs for 60 yrs., right? MichMan Jul 2025 #28
Protectionism for American automobiles Blue Full Moon Jul 2025 #26
You think they have engine issues, check out Hyundai and Kia MichMan Jul 2025 #30
You're absolutely right! fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #18
I have a hybrid plug-in Prius Bettie Jul 2025 #8
it didn't help that arguably the most prolific EV maker turned out to be a Nazi cadoman Jul 2025 #13
Teslas are fairly common where we live. cab67 Jul 2025 #16
I had to fly last minute to Tampa... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #23
The US might just largely produce autos for its captive market. David__77 Jul 2025 #27
Tax credits to sell vehicles are a subsidy to the industry bucolic_frolic Jul 2025 #29
What are the profit margins right now... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2025 #31
Here are the operating margins for the "big 3" (note stellantis is Italian but own dodge/jeep/chrysler). fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #44
What the hell ISN'T subsidized? Ask the legion of lobbyists. usonian Jul 2025 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #43
My only complaint with EVs is that they're ridiculously expensive. Initech Jul 2025 #35
Check out the used market. EVs depreciate like crazy. flvegan Jul 2025 #39
Really? Interesting. Initech Jul 2025 #41
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