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50. Professor Vladeck- Denaturalization and Expatriation
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 01:30 PM
Jul 2025

Here is a good analysis of denaturalization. It would be almost impossible for trump to strip Rosie of her citizenship without a nasty lawsuit

With President Trump threatening to revoke Rosie O’Donnell’s citizenship, it seems like a good time to re-up my explainer on denaturalization and expatriation — and why what Trump is suggesting is … not viable:

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-07-12T18:40:26.584Z

https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/146-denaturalization-and-expatriation

For good reasons, it is difficult to denaturalize a U.S. citizen and even harder to expatriate one. As this week’s “Long Read” documents, Congress has provided for only a handful of circumstances in which the executive branch is empowered to pursue such a move; and the Supreme Court has recognized meaningful constitutional limits (and an entitlement to meaningful judicial review) even in those cases. As we’re seeing so often with the current administration, there may well be a legal avenue for at least some of what it appears to want to accomplish, but that legal avenue has too much, you know, law, interposing both substantive limits and procedural requirements between the President and his policy preferences......

Historically, and for good reasons, it has been exceptionally difficult for the government to involuntarily revoke an American’s citizenship. 8 U.S.C. § 1481 identifies seven classes of activities that can subject citizens to a loss of citizenship:

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.


As should be clear from this list, most of the circumstances involve behavior in which an individual has manifested a specific and voluntary desire to surrender their citizenship—and not when citizenship has been revoked as a punishment. And even for subsection (a)(7), the one part that doesn’t seem to require that on its face, the statute today includes an umbrella condition—that loss of citizenship depends upon whether the individual “voluntarily perform[ed] any of the [specified] acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality.”......

Section 1481 applies to all U.S. citizens. For naturalized citizens (i.e., those who become citizens after birth), there’s one additional basis for revoking citizenship—and that’s if and only if their citizenship was “illegally procured or . . . procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation.” Here, too, the statute (and, almost certainly, the Constitution) requires notice and meaningful judicial review before an American’s citizenship can be stripped. As 8 U.S.C. § 1451(b) mandates,

The party to whom was granted the naturalization alleged to have been illegally procured or procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation shall, in any such proceedings under subsection (a) of this section, have sixty days’ personal notice, unless waived by such party, in which to make answers to the petition of the United States . . . .

Of course, the government can pursue denaturalization on broader grounds than it can pursue expatriation—since the Constitution doesn’t create a substantive right to naturalization in the same way it does for birthright citizenship. But the key is that here, too, the Supreme Court has regularly insisted not only on meaningful judicial review of denaturalization proceedings, but on construing the relevant statutes narrowly—including, most recently, in 2017. (For much more on the complexities of denaturalization, see this fantastic February 2020 “Practice Advisory” from the National Lawyers Guild and the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.)

In other words, although denaturalization is potentially available in more cases than expatriation, it still requires meaningful, individualized judicial review—review that holds the government to a significant burden in providing that an individual wrongfully obtained their citizenship, and not just that they engaged in questionable behavior thereafter. There is, simply, no easy, fast path to revoking any American’s citizenship without their consent—and there hasn’t been for decades. That may not stop the current administration from trying it anyway, or from removing citizens unlawfully and then resisting the legal consequences. But it’s important to be clear on what the actual legal authority for such maneuvers would be. Here, there isn’t any.

I was so sad to see Professor Vladeck leave the University of Texas Law School.

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Now if he were a real NAZI, he'd order her disappearance. Kid Berwyn Jul 2025 #1
I hope everybody realizes, now, that the only reason he hasn't Eliot Rosewater Jul 2025 #52
The approach is made to seem random. Kid Berwyn Jul 2025 #54
So, in other words, he scared to death of Rosie O'Donnell? Walleye Jul 2025 #2
Does this mean if Dems take the WH in 2028 republianmushroom Jul 2025 #3
They can just go back dweller Jul 2025 #5
and this is why birtright citizenship is so important DBoon Jul 2025 #20
Like President Putz's mother? BonnieJW Jul 2025 #31
The funny thing about that is, there wasn't any "legal" or "illegal" back in the first days. mucholderthandirt Jul 2025 #43
Oh, please let it be so! Totally Tunsie Jul 2025 #26
fuck that... revoke the citizenship of all MAGA lapfog_1 Jul 2025 #28
Wouldn't that make us as horrible as they are? Nictuku Jul 2025 #33
When is the Republican party going to realize Mossfern Jul 2025 #4
They are just as insane as him LS0999 Jul 2025 #11
Sorry Mossfern Jul 2025 #15
They have always been in the US. The Constitution was written to preserve the rights of rich white guys. GoneOffShore Jul 2025 #18
Sadists have 'always been' in every human society whathehell Jul 2025 #41
Well Said! MayReasonRule Jul 2025 #47
Thank you.. whathehell Jul 2025 #49
Fascists Are Without Shame -- Fascists Embrace Depraved Malevolence As Their Purpose And Creed MayReasonRule Jul 2025 #46
Can someone tell him he doesn't have the authority to take away someone's citizenship? kentuck Jul 2025 #6
The SCOTUS just read your post tavernier Jul 2025 #21
He's distracting the MAGAts from the Epstein files. Kingofalldems Jul 2025 #7
BINGO johnnyfins Jul 2025 #9
+1 dalton99a Jul 2025 #22
For his next display of dignity he will moon Taylor Swift and Meryl Streep at his next televised press conference. Ping Tung Jul 2025 #8
Yep, seems a real post - many outlets reporting it muriel_volestrangler Jul 2025 #10
This is not just about Rosie, this smells like Trump choosing his arch-rival to test revoking citizenship... DSandra Jul 2025 #12
He Might Want to Do That, but Even a President Can't. MineralMan Jul 2025 #13
He will invent a mechanism and his supreme court will rubber stamp it DBoon Jul 2025 #55
Perhaps, but I think that's very doubtful. MineralMan Jul 2025 #57
That sounds like somebody exceeding their presidential authority. TheBlackAdder Jul 2025 #14
It does, but he also has the SCOTUS Bettie Jul 2025 #17
77 million people voted for this. Think about that. n/t flvegan Jul 2025 #16
Way Too Many... ProfessorGAC Jul 2025 #19
263 Million United States Citizens Did Not Vote For Donald Trump, 77 Million Did Vote For Him MayReasonRule Jul 2025 #29
I'm not sure if flvegan Jul 2025 #34
Depends Upon How You Think About It... : -) MayReasonRule Jul 2025 #37
Kick dalton99a Jul 2025 #23
Rosie has been right all the time newdeal2 Jul 2025 #24
where was that post from? do you have a link? nt orleans Jul 2025 #44
Here Ya' Go orleans... MayReasonRule Jul 2025 #48
deflecting and projecting donald? AllaN01Bear Jul 2025 #25
Like a 5 yr old threatening to tell mommy on big brother. appleannie1 Jul 2025 #27
More distraction so we don't talk about Nigrum Cattus Jul 2025 #30
Trumps facing a lot of problems right now; this is just a distraction D. Spaulding Jul 2025 #32
NYers Starbeach Jul 2025 #35
He is such a petty ass baby kimbutgar Jul 2025 #36
Rosie O'donnell, a Threat To Humanity? Her only "crime" is disliking Donald Trump Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #38
You MagaPublicans better huddle together and begin PRAYING I do not become President mkp Jul 2025 #39
She got the fuck out orangecrush Jul 2025 #40
Rosie's response made me smile LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2025 #42
Imagine if President Biden had made those statements about a harsh critic Martin Eden Jul 2025 #45
Professor Vladeck- Denaturalization and Expatriation LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2025 #50
I posted this to your similar thread Bayard Jul 2025 #56
Wait, am I confused or did King Trump just decree that Rosie O'Donnell be exiled? 0rganism Jul 2025 #51
Once again Trump pushing the system to see what he can get away with Raven123 Jul 2025 #53
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