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Bluetus

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48. I don't know all the inner workings, but Here are my assumptions
Tue Jul 15, 2025, 11:55 AM
Jul 2025

1. Clearly Epstein and Maxwell were partners.
2. Epstein developed "clients" (i.e Kompromat targets) and handled the business end of things.
3. Maxwell had the knowledge of and access to the spy agencies. And of course, Maxwell was the principal in the recruiting of prostitutes, especially the grooming of young ones.
4. Epstein recognized that Trump had some connections, including mob connections, and that Trump liked the young girls. This was about the time that the KGB was grooming Trump (aka Krasnov), so there is a good chance that the KGB made it known that any Kompromat on Trump would be well rewarded.
5. But Trump wasn't just a client and target. He fancied himself mingling in the same circles where the spy agencies wanted access and control. So the relationship with Trump was, shall we say, complicated.
6. Epstein was considerably smarter and more cunning than Trump and was able to compromise Trump (that's easy) while also getting Trump to assist with recruiting others who would go into Epstein's meat grinder.
7. My bet is that Trump never really knew how completely Epstein was manipulating him. Trump loves to be the center of attention. Epstein exploited that to get Trump to bring many others into the Kompromat house.
8. I'm not convinced the FBI or other agencies have all of this in a report. But you can be practically certain that there are people in those agencies that understand the whole picture. And that is why Trump is panicking. He probably didn't realize just how big and deep the Epstein operation was until the past few years, and Trump really isn't sure what others know and who might expose the details.

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It is more believable than not. johnnyfins Jul 2025 #1
I wonder if Limbaugh ever went there? Kingofalldems Jul 2025 #2
You can bet that Weinstein did maybe? Jit423 Jul 2025 #5
Epstein was connected to Harvard Math Dept while Weinstein was there womanofthehills Jul 2025 #61
I assumed Kingofalldems was thinking of Harvey. soldierant Jul 2025 #64
So did I. ShazzieB Jul 2025 #105
Or Rudy? kentuck Jul 2025 #6
And one or more SC justices. Kingofalldems Jul 2025 #7
My guess would be: kentuck Jul 2025 #8
Clarence Thomas too. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #16
And Boof Boy Kavanaugh of the Brooks Brothers Riot in Florida 2000 Captain Zero Jul 2025 #85
Exactly. He is all in for sex, drugs, booze. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #90
None of those People were "anyone" back in the Epstein heyday. Callie1979 Jul 2025 #93
Limbaugh's proclivities SusieCreamcheese Jul 2025 #65
You are correct. Limbaugh was as much of a creep as has ever walked this earth. BComplex Jul 2025 #104
Apparently Hudly Jul 2025 #73
Or Ghouliani? llmart Jul 2025 #78
Him too. Kingofalldems Jul 2025 #81
Question: Why now? TBA Jul 2025 #3
Elon Musk opened the can of worms... kentuck Jul 2025 #4
THAT'S who needs to be called before Congress to testify! 70sEraVet Jul 2025 #10
While he's on the stand testifying before Congress under oath, OMGWTF Jul 2025 #67
I would bet good money Elon has copies of the files. Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #34
And if he gets pissed enough at Trump, he could be the one that spills the beans and releases the files. TheRickles Jul 2025 #72
We can hope. Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #97
He has enough money to buy anything. n/t Safe as Milk Jul 2025 #83
The MAGA base has been demanding answers. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #17
Bingo! Bo Zarts Jul 2025 #9
Why did the Biden administration not know this? onenote Jul 2025 #11
I'm guessing Jack Smith knew some of it, or at least had access to the FBI documents FakeNoose Jul 2025 #22
I believe Epstein's so-called suicide was on Barr's watch. Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #35
I think they did and once Maxwell was indicted and jailed Bev54 Jul 2025 #30
if they had evidence that Trump was calling the shots for Epstein onenote Jul 2025 #32
I really doubt Trump was calling the shots Bev54 Jul 2025 #36
I agree. My posts offer reasons why the OP's conspiracy theory is highly unlikely. onenote Jul 2025 #40
I'll go a step further: I don't buy this theory at all. ShazzieB Jul 2025 #58
I agree MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2025 #74
They did end their friendship in 2004 and Epstein was first indicted on sex charges in 2007. kentuck Jul 2025 #77
I think Trump got paid big bucks by Epstein for Poon Procurement at MaraLoco Captain Zero Jul 2025 #87
Agree that blubunyip Jul 2025 #92
That is a good question. kentuck Jul 2025 #43
Though largely on the right the rot likely also spilled onto the left as well... yourout Jul 2025 #52
In my opinion, it is almost like two scandals in one. kentuck Jul 2025 #56
so you think Biden, a champion of strong women, covered for pedophiles Skittles Jul 2025 #71
No, i think the OP's theory doesn't hold water. onenote Jul 2025 #94
Blaming Biden again, huh? W_HAMILTON Jul 2025 #45
No, I was making the point that the OP theory doesn't hold water. onenote Jul 2025 #95
And why would Epstein keep quiet? writerJT Jul 2025 #70
The way Epstein would pretend "friendship" with the help that worked on his properties wolfie001 Jul 2025 #12
Agree. A wide net was flung by Epstein coffeenap Jul 2025 #13
K&R spanone Jul 2025 #14
Where? ILikePie92 Jul 2025 #15
Correct. kentuck Jul 2025 #20
Sorry, i can get a bit pedantic at times ILikePie92 Jul 2025 #62
Excellent theory Kentuck. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #18
Sitting US President is the co-founder and partner of an extensive sex trafficking ring. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #19
With the espoused "projection" theory... kentuck Jul 2025 #21
Yes. Psychopaths often accuse others of the crimes they themselves are committing. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #23
And don't forget Mars! 3catwoman3 Jul 2025 #88
Dems have a sex ring on Mars? Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #91
Old story from 2017. A guest on Alex Jones' show... 3catwoman3 Jul 2025 #100
These people are really crazy. Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #101
As I've said many times, here and elsewhere, I'm never sure... 3catwoman3 Jul 2025 #103
Same sitting US President is allowing a bunch of unidentified thugs to kidnap people without the system documenting them Attilatheblond Jul 2025 #53
It's in the Trump DNA zorbasd Jul 2025 #82
Kentuck, do you see a Russian/Putin connection in your theory? Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #24
There is always the Russian/Putin connection... kentuck Jul 2025 #39
Yes Irish_Dem Jul 2025 #44
So why didn't Trump just give the weapons to Zelinskyy outright? kentuck Jul 2025 #54
Excellent theory but I believe there's more evidence that he partnered with Ghislaine Maxwell FakeNoose Jul 2025 #25
I think it very possible that there was a split between Epstein and Trump... kentuck Jul 2025 #46
This thing was bigger than Trump and Epstein Bluetus Jul 2025 #26
Yup, and Ghislaine's father was a spy for multiple countries. Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #37
Yes on all of this, and that's why Epstein would have never wanted Chump for his partner FakeNoose Jul 2025 #38
I don't know all the inner workings, but Here are my assumptions Bluetus Jul 2025 #48
All good ... especially #6 and #7 FakeNoose Jul 2025 #57
Makes excellent sense. Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #59
Expansion is good bucolic_frolic Jul 2025 #27
Got to remember that tRump runs a crime family and sex trafficking is just one of many criminal activities ImNotGod Jul 2025 #28
I see it largely the way you lay it out except for one alteration... Hugin Jul 2025 #29
MAGA---------Molesting All Girls Always spike jones Jul 2025 #31
Yes, to a certain extent. But without Epstein these other men would not have become involved Joinfortmill Jul 2025 #33
Yes, Jeffrey Epstein cultivated friendships with many very smart & wealthy men FakeNoose Jul 2025 #41
that makes a lot of sense. samsingh Jul 2025 #42
Virginia Giuffre (arguably Epstein's most well known victim) was recruited by Maxwell at Trump's Mar-a-Lago. W_HAMILTON Jul 2025 #47
My first thought: kentuck Jul 2025 #49
Uh, of course. Both her and Epstein were frequent visitors there. W_HAMILTON Jul 2025 #50
I think the timeline is important. kentuck Jul 2025 #51
Here's a very detailed discussion of the Epstein/Trump story, emphasizing mob ties and foreign intelligence agencies. TheRickles Jul 2025 #55
I believe Epstein was the Frontman. mercuryblues Jul 2025 #60
It makes as much sense as anything else I've heard. bluescribbler Jul 2025 #63
A big, huge honey trap providing blackmail for any authoritarians wanting to control the world. n/t AntiFascist Jul 2025 #66
Oh, I think you're spot on. It makes the most sense. Texin Jul 2025 #68
What about Madame Maxwell? Didn't she Ilsa Jul 2025 #69
Trump and Epstein ended their friendship in 2004 over a bid on some palm Beach property. kentuck Jul 2025 #75
The evidence in the Maxwell trial established she was the procurer from "at least" 1994 to 2004. onenote Jul 2025 #96
Pam Bondi the AG of Florida blubunyip Jul 2025 #98
IMO. There are dead girls that the Epstein ring covered up. And the murderer is DJT. Bread and Circuses Jul 2025 #76
Well, that's a little extreme, don't you think? FakeNoose Jul 2025 #84
Trump Model Management pat_k Jul 2025 #79
Trump was a big fish. Young girls were bait. PufPuf23 Jul 2025 #80
Trump is too stupid to be "in command" Skittles Jul 2025 #86
Rapist And Trafficker: RAT. Dave Bowman Jul 2025 #89
The procurer... dlk Jul 2025 #99
I have read all the comments.... kentuck Jul 2025 #102
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