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Ms. Toad

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47. Way too many people have bought into the idea that weight and diabetes are inherently linked.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:05 PM
Jul 2025

They aren't. It is strongly hereditary - much more strongly caused by heredity than by weight, and there are probably multiple varieties of at least T2 diabetes, but doctors treat them all identically.

Both my family and my spouse's have diabetes.

My maternal grandfather - and everyone who is descended from him who is my age or older - has diabetes. It is a pretty benign version of diabetes (not linked to heart disease, regardless of cholesterol levels (not a single heart attack or other heart disease; my current cardiac calcification score is 0% calcification - and I have high cholesterol); not linked to weight (the BMI range in the individuals with diabetes ranges from underweight to obese). I am not aware of any A1C in the bunch that was ever higher than 8.0 on less-than-maximum metformin as the sole medical treatment. Pre-COVID, all I had to do to have a normal A1C was watch what I eat. That applied at any weight- including when I was obese. (COVID messed up my ability to control it entirely by eating, but my last A1C was 7.1 - high for me, but still within an acceptable range for my age.)

My spouse's maternal grandmother had diabetes. While it is not as universal in her descendants, many have it. It is anything but benign. My spouse's A1C is currently 10.1. She is skinny as a rail, and on three diabetes medications (Januvia, glimiperide, and metformin), and her A1C has not been less than 9 for over 2 years. Her sister is faring better on control - but also skinny as a rail. Grandmother was in the normal weight range.

I don't know the entire family history of a friend of mine, but she has been obese nearly all of her life with zero signs of diabetes - until cancer destroyed her pancreas. Post pan-can, she is T3 diabetes.

It may well be that some diabetes is linked to weight - there is certainly a statistical correlation, but (1) a statistical correlation doesn't mean that everyone who is overweight will become diabetic and (2) even you fall in the group contributing to the statistics, it is likely some underlying genetic makeup gave you a predisposition to both, rather than that the weight caused the diabetes (and there will be people who are overweight - like my friend - who don't have the underlying genetic makeup and will never get diabetes absent something like pancreatic cancer, and people like my spouse who become diabetic despite being underweight).

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Great post Prairie Gates Jul 2025 #1
kick Baitball Blogger Jul 2025 #2
A very valuable perspective! benfranklin1776 Jul 2025 #3
I equate it to a person who had been poisoned, beat to death and death certificate stating "Heart Stopped" when LiberalArkie Jul 2025 #22
Apt analogy! 🙌🏼 benfranklin1776 Jul 2025 #42
Or better yet, from an actual Arkansas case of a body found down the road from me LiberalArkie Jul 2025 #51
Seriously? the coroner put that on the death certificate?😲🙄 mwmisses4289 Jul 2025 #60
Yep, during the Clinton administration. We had a lot of shady stuff going on.. LiberalArkie Jul 2025 #63
OMG you have GOT to post that story. Was Trump the coroner? Callie1979 Jul 2025 #77
I believe this was back in 1992. There was a lot going on in Arkansas at that time and sadly very little on internet LiberalArkie Jul 2025 #82
I'm thinking CHF. We shall see. flying_wahini Jul 2025 #4
If you have CHF your body retains fluid. That means the whole body, right? Katinfl Jul 2025 #12
Due to a failing heart, I had fairly severe fluid retention. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2025 #33
I've had CHF for ca 10 yrs now; I'm 10+ yrs older than That Person. No Vested Interest Jul 2025 #81
outstanding! NJCher Jul 2025 #83
His mind IS going 1st. maxsolomon Jul 2025 #103
Me too Deep State Witch Jul 2025 #28
That's my best guess. A lot of those symptoms are plainly visible. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2025 #44
It has never occured to me KentuckyWoman Jul 2025 #5
My mother got varicose veins as a result of all the time she spent on her feet as an RN. Ocelot II Jul 2025 #14
Baghdad Barbie described Trump's chronic venous insufficiency as Ocelot II Jul 2025 #6
Ed Zachary (exactly) PCIntern Jul 2025 #7
Maybe Timewas Jul 2025 #9
I still say he's probably diabetic (the reason for Diet Coke all the time). llmart Jul 2025 #65
Actually Timewas Jul 2025 #73
Because he is at stage 3, at a minimum, more likely stage 4 (of 6) Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #34
Not to mention, if he isn't at least prediabetic TexasBushwhacker Jul 2025 #38
Way too many people have bought into the idea that weight and diabetes are inherently linked. Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #47
100% True.... sdfernando Jul 2025 #49
Mattel recently released diabetic Barbie. soldierant Jul 2025 #92
MTM had type 1 diabetes. ShazzieB Jul 2025 #93
Thanks for the info/nt sdfernando Jul 2025 #100
Fair enough n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2025 #50
My ex was diabetic. llmart Jul 2025 #66
"Strongly" isn't "always" Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #67
I don't understand ... Mossfern Jul 2025 #69
With an A1C of 6.2, your average blood glucose is around132. Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #71
Heart not related Mossfern Jul 2025 #79
Fret away, then. Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #87
Thank you, my dear PCIntern! VERY well said. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2025 #8
Soooo... we should expect that his ankles should not be swollen at times - usually in the morning? ihaveaquestion Jul 2025 #10
Not necessarily. Ms. Toad Jul 2025 #35
The odds are very low in deed. flashman13 Jul 2025 #11
A question about your condition. Old Crank Jul 2025 #13
Yes but I have trouble wearing them PCIntern Jul 2025 #18
I get that Old Crank Jul 2025 #21
I switched the compression stockings to normal knee-heighth soccer (football) socks. erronis Jul 2025 #26
😂😂😂😂 PCIntern Jul 2025 #58
I don't feel as 'constricted' and they are cotton which is more comfortable than that spandex/nylon/whatever. erronis Jul 2025 #64
I don't wear mine either. Same reason. yardwork Jul 2025 #55
There is little doubt he has mutliple things going on. His paraphasias, disorientation, wide right leg swing, hlthe2b Jul 2025 #15
Ty for sharing SheltieLover Jul 2025 #31
I can't remember which year it was, but Trump's physicals in his first term were mostly lies. Lonestarblue Jul 2025 #16
6'3" and 224lbs?!? (imagine me snorting in derision) mwmisses4289 Jul 2025 #62
I have cardiovascular disease and have had pulmanary embolisms 3 times in my 82 years appleannie1 Jul 2025 #17
I'm a little younger - but had a PE (from birth control) -- TBF Jul 2025 #70
I believe its symptom of his heart failing nowforever Jul 2025 #19
As an RN with 37 years working in a hospital TNNurse Jul 2025 #20
Will cult members start stuffing the tops of their socks with Kleenex? Grumpy Old Woman Jul 2025 #23
Would not surprise me at all. nt Callie1979 Jul 2025 #99
Yes, whatever they're admitting to the reality is far worse. BannonsLiver Jul 2025 #24
Thanks for that explanation. milestogo Jul 2025 #25
My first thought when I read "chronic venous insufficiency" AllyCat Jul 2025 #27
Right...he has chronic venous insufficiency, but they aren't saying from what. PortTack Jul 2025 #29
Thank you for the info! I agree... FirstLight Jul 2025 #30
;-{) Goonch Jul 2025 #32
Yikes! Any ideas about this poor abused shoe? Bluebelle76 Jul 2025 #74
on another thread NJCher Jul 2025 #84
The odd-looking shoes are on account of his cloven hooves. Ocelot II Jul 2025 #88
And learn how to tie a shoe, FFS. maxsolomon Jul 2025 #104
Thank you! great post! mountain grammy Jul 2025 #36
Of the issues I have with TACOman, this is the least of them. progressoid Jul 2025 #37
it is important NJCher Jul 2025 #86
So the upshot is... swong19104 Jul 2025 #39
If you're asking for advice Warpy Jul 2025 #40
Actually I wasn't but thanks anyway PCIntern Jul 2025 #45
I'm actually a lot more concerned about his mental illness Bluetus Jul 2025 #41
I don't have your level of expertise, but I have just enough medical knowledge to have reached the same Vinca Jul 2025 #43
howdi. AllaN01Bear Jul 2025 #46
Yeah, they totally lied. lark Jul 2025 #48
He deserves to receive evil thoughts and words JustAnotherGen Jul 2025 #53
Heart failure seems likely, but diagnosis would require truth and science... pat_k Jul 2025 #52
I suspected they came up with the "mildest" diagnosis mcar Jul 2025 #54
Nice school there. PCIntern Jul 2025 #56
Some of my husband's former students mcar Jul 2025 #57
Satan clearly isn't ready for him yet Bluestocking Jul 2025 #59
Great post. There's no way the just did all the testing you detailed underpants Jul 2025 #61
Thank God. We finally have some hope Saoirse9 Jul 2025 #68
Sadly for us, even if it is some stage of heart failure... pat_k Jul 2025 #72
Always recall that JD Vance is current VP; I do not want to wish him as Pres. of USA No Vested Interest Jul 2025 #78
Yes, likely Congestive Heart Failure (CHF). BlueWavePsych Jul 2025 #75
I totally agree with this statement: CrispyQ Jul 2025 #76
'Long COVID" can cause Vascular issues. mackdaddy Jul 2025 #80
My sil's grandmother always had swollen ankles, (from the first time we met 20 years ago) and she always cksmithy Jul 2025 #85
Rumor has it the doctors gave him 6 months Sessuch Jul 2025 #89
I'm sure that's 6 months too many for Melania dflprincess Jul 2025 #91
NoShit.,,nt pbmus Jul 2025 #90
The fact that there even was a health report on TSF tells me: Aussie105 Jul 2025 #94
Maybe his bone spurs need be removed jimmy the one Jul 2025 #95
I'm a retired nurse tavernier Jul 2025 #96
Thank you for this post! EuterpeThelo Jul 2025 #97
If it were so benign, stollen Jul 2025 #98
Exactly... PCIntern Jul 2025 #101
So there's more to the story. stollen Jul 2025 #102
K&R spanone Jul 2025 #105
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