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32. Timothy Snyder refers to "power ministries." And if shady vance knows he controls them, nothing will collapse,

Mon Oct 6, 2025, 06:26 PM

Oct 6

at least at first. But since shady isn't trump, shady's hold on those ministries might not last because he and Thiel don't think like trump.

These are the power ministries Snyder refers to. Being an historian he knows the origin of the "power ministries" label:
The Russian term siloviki gained prominence during the presidency of Vladimir Putin,
who relied heavily on officials from the military and law enforcement agencies.
This led observers to characterize the regime as a "militocracy".
The term highlights the levels of control in political influence these security and defense bodies wield in Russia beyond their stated functions.

The Big Three:
Ministry of Defense (MoD): Manages the armed forces.
Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD): The national police force.
Federal Security Service (FSB): The country's primary security agency.

Other significant agencies that are often included are the:
Ministry of Civil Defense and Emergency Situations (MChS)
Federal Customs Service (FTS)
Federal Guard Service (FSO)
The Procuracy (the system of federal prosecutors)

Can Thiel and Vance out-maneuver Miller and Hegseth? I believe they can. But they likely won't control media or the military the way trump and Vought have.
And so, they will be "the transition" for oligarchs.
Even then, if (the Big IF) the future elections are free and fair, the current administration will (in spite of anti-Dem media) either lose to Dems, cheat, or be taken over by tech oligarchs and AI, imho.

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"No political movement will collapse faster than Republicanism the moment Trump is out of the picture." [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Oct 6 OP

More like MAGA-ism. GOPers will still be there n/t leftstreet Oct 6 #1

Very true. Where there's money to be made ruining the US mdbl Oct 6 #16

Billionaire backers will ALWAYS be there. There is no other party for them. They built this one & they own it. nt eppur_se_muova Oct 6 #21

No. There is too much money and power to be had for it to be tied to one person. Irish_Dem Oct 6 #2

That's interesting..... BigmanPigman Oct 6 #3

I was sure it would collapse when TSF leaves bronxiteforever Oct 6 #17

Collapse may be too strong a word, but I have no doubt the MAGA "movement" will be significantly weakened. Wiz Imp Oct 6 #19

Vance will certainly try. But if you've seen him buying donuts, you know how well that's going to work. eppur_se_muova Oct 6 #24

Yeah, like the collapse of the Reagan Revolution... Hugin Oct 6 #40

JD is owned outright by technocrat billionaire Theil. Tech-Bro Musk dismantled the government... Hekate Oct 6 #27

Timothy Snyder refers to "power ministries." And if shady vance knows he controls them, nothing will collapse, ancianita Oct 6 #32

There's still the underlying problem of the propaganda that led to this that need to be dealt with. Initech Oct 6 #4

Yep - that is a big problem - also people who don't pay attention to any political stuff. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 6 #6

Your math is off Fiendish Thingy Oct 6 #9

There are Greg_In_SF Oct 6 #13

Your numbers add up to over 400 million Fiendish Thingy Oct 6 #14

As long as the clueless get markodochartaigh Oct 6 #34

There is no one who has the evil charisma of Trump out there. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 6 #5

Looks at watch Marthe48 Oct 6 #7

It will be glorious Fiendish Thingy Oct 6 #8

We have some chance of the road to restoration bc no one has the "follow power" of drumphf electric_blue68 Oct 6 #10

Wishful thinking IbogaProject Oct 6 #11

There was MAGA before Trump Bluestocking Oct 6 #12

maga before trump was leaderless but was manipulated (tea party). tRump captured them Bernardo de La Paz Oct 6 #36

I thought that after W n/t hibbing Oct 6 #15

If the maga sheep find a shit-for-brains like Trump charismatic Mysterian Oct 6 #18

Magatology will endure WhatTheFlux Oct 6 #20

When Timothy Snyder talks, people should listen. I know I do. Hekate Oct 6 #22

So all that prep work J.D.'s been doing for Peter T. , Opus Dei, and the Heritage Cabal is for nothing? Ford_Prefect Oct 6 #23

It depends on how long Trump is in power nuxvomica Oct 6 #25

Well for whatever it's worth Hegseth is undermining *rump's Nobel Peace Prize chances and Uncle Joe Oct 6 #26

Okay sure. But I love sound of " Trump out of the picture" FailureToCommunicate Oct 6 #28

I won;t even guess. It could be as staid yet vicious as Moscow in '53 Torchlight Oct 6 #29

Have you seen markodochartaigh Oct 6 #35

Can't wait until he fucking dies. Orrex Oct 6 #30

Dr. Feelgood prescription for doing nothing? gulliver Oct 6 #31

When he's gone, the left will no longer trust government, and MAGA never did. bucolic_frolic Oct 6 #33

I agree that when TSF dies, it will be a huge blow to RETHUGS. I gotta wonder WHO will be their next leader? bluestarone Oct 6 #37

Disagree... it's the Party of grievance and hate. WarGamer Oct 6 #38

There's a world of difference between mega and republicanism, I think. Maru Kitteh Oct 6 #39