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51. It WAS easier to build good train service. But they have let it go bad
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 07:02 AM
Oct 2025

Ever greater control ceded to incompetent bureaucrats has been an absolute disaster, and Germany has led the way. What used to be a reliable network of public transportation has become the joke of Europe.

Just yesterday, I had to travel from my office near Utrecht, NL back to my home near Düsseldorf. The train station in my town, by the way has been closed for most of the year, and through service on the route has been out for almost two years. So, I have to get a taxi to the airport train station, and go either north or south from there. The track from Oberhausen over to Arnhem (first major Dutch train station) is being worked on (again), and so, instead of the 1 hour 50 minute trip from Düsseldorf to Utrecht, I had to use a southerly route (involving getting up at 4:45 instead of 6:00), which adds an hour to the trip. That was "only" 20 minutes late, so I was there just before 10:00 AM, where I am usually there at 9:00. But then, there was the trip back.

The trip back was supposed to leave Utrecht at 4:26 PM and get in to the Düsseldorf airport station at 7:30 PM. But--it was a GERMAN train. We didn't even make it out of the Netherlands until after 7:30 PM. Then, due to "traffic complications," once in Germany, the train couldn't stop at the border station, because all routes north (i.e. Düsseldorf) were blocked. So, the train had to go all the way down to Köln, where I changed for a local train up to Düsseldorf and the Düsseldorf airport. that is usually a 40 minute trip. But after 15 minutes, the engineer said he had to conduct a technical review of the locomotive, so we would sit there for ten minutes in the middle of nowhere. I FINALLY made it to my station at around 22:30 (10:30 PM). Three hours late for a trip that was supposed to take just under three hours. A two hour trip took six hours. You'd think they took scheduling lessons from American Airlines.

THAT is what train travel in Central Europe has become. No more the image of Switzerland. More like Albania--AND, flying is, in many cases, cheaper !!

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my sister in law has sworn off flying after a liftime... samnsara Oct 2025 #1
Thanks, samnsara. MIButterfly Oct 2025 #2
try to remember barbtries Oct 2025 #33
She's super sensitive to it? Happy Hoosier Oct 2025 #12
Same With Me. ColoringFool Oct 2025 #22
If only we had Europe's rail network! Lonestarblue Oct 2025 #3
I grew up in Detroit and I guess because cars were built there, they expected everyone to have a car MIButterfly Oct 2025 #6
Back in the 1920's everyone wanted a car, but it was a luxury FakeNoose Oct 2025 #17
I think Chicago has a great public transit system. MIButterfly Oct 2025 #21
Keep in mind that Europe is a lot smaller than the U. S. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #8
Is China? barbtries Oct 2025 #11
Did China start with overwhelming private car ownership? PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #42
I think its China that has perfected the bullet train. peacebuzzard Oct 2025 #53
Not really an excuse... Shipwack Oct 2025 #20
Actually, it is the excuse. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2025 #43
In land mass Europe is slightly larger than the US spooky3 Oct 2025 #28
It WAS easier to build good train service. But they have let it go bad DFW Oct 2025 #51
Abysmal. I didn't know the system was deteriorating. peacebuzzard Oct 2025 #54
It has been going downhill here for a while. A self-perpetuating bureaucracy has no interest in efficiency. DFW Oct 2025 #63
sounds like five star Germany has devolved to the norms of the rest of the world.... peacebuzzard Oct 2025 #67
I've never been to the Azores and don't speak much Portuguese DFW Oct 2025 #68
Its been many decades since I have been to the Azores peacebuzzard Nov 2025 #70
Porto is the one city there I actually DO know to some degree DFW Nov 2025 #71
I think that is one of my dream towns to visit. Maybe the only one. peacebuzzard Nov 2025 #73
Sorry to hear this, and sorry for you. In the 90s train travel spooky3 Oct 2025 #61
You got that right!! DFW Oct 2025 #64
I have four air travel trips coming up from November 05 - January 24. I am NOT looking forward to it. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2025 #4
I was having occasional dizziness and imbalance like you describe FakeNoose Oct 2025 #18
It's why I use motion sickness patches. miyazaki Oct 2025 #34
Hmmm.... I'll bring that up with my ENT. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2025 #49
good advice. barbtries Oct 2025 #35
Vertigo is awful! Pacifist Patriot Oct 2025 #50
I have so many specialists my phone contacts skew to D for Doctor. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2025 #48
I have no intention of flying for at least three more years. Unless it's a one-way ticket out of the country. Borogove Oct 2025 #5
I agree. Then I thought about those "rendition" airplane rides. All expenses paid. erronis Oct 2025 #7
that's not an option in my world. barbtries Oct 2025 #10
When I told my son that TSA agents are not getting paid, barbtries Oct 2025 #9
Don't know about you, but I'm happy even while loathing and despising tRump Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #14
thanks barbtries Oct 2025 #16
Grief, despair, & sadness I share with you, at times, but they pass before long & I become optimistic again Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #19
I'm sorry you had to endure that. Hope22 Oct 2025 #25
I know who my ex-DIL's mother is barbtries Oct 2025 #32
We flew Tuesday, will again next week RainCaster Oct 2025 #13
how was it at the airports? barbtries Oct 2025 #36
Mostly empty RainCaster Oct 2025 #66
my last trip was to LAX barbtries Oct 2025 #69
We make $110,000. Fortunately, it is SS and defined 3Hotdogs Oct 2025 #15
That $8300 a month! maunagirl Oct 2025 #45
Take off income tax. 3Hotdogs Oct 2025 #56
I Quit flying Topomi Oct 2025 #23
Everyone quit flying then. All planes were empty of passengers. peacebuzzard Oct 2025 #55
Have a wonderful(?) trip with her. Wonder Why Oct 2025 #24
I hope to have a wonderful trip DESPITE her! MIButterfly Oct 2025 #27
Air traffic controllers are paid pretty well, and they should be. Ocelot II Oct 2025 #26
I flew home from Heathrow to RDU mnhtnbb Oct 2025 #29
Thanks, mnhtnbb! MIButterfly Oct 2025 #37
My daughter makes over double that Tree Lady Oct 2025 #30
Exactly! MIButterfly Oct 2025 #38
Feel same way unfortunately she has been with Tree Lady Oct 2025 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2025 #47
Flying ms.pamela Oct 2025 #31
Exactly. People like my aunt have absolutely no idea MIButterfly Oct 2025 #39
Your aunt is very naive. RVN VET71 Oct 2025 #41
Not necessarily. maunagirl Oct 2025 #46
try living in a compact car for a week... ret5hd Oct 2025 #58
If someone makes $100K a year maunagirl Oct 2025 #44
It is more nuanced than that. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2025 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2025 #60
welcome to DU, muanagirl peacebuzzard Oct 2025 #57
i have high hopes for that one. ret5hd Oct 2025 #59
She was close but a little low: EX500rider Oct 2025 #62
As well they should! MIButterfly Oct 2025 #65
yes they are. peacebuzzard Nov 2025 #72
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