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pat_k

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39. There is a place for shunning, but ultimately, I firmly believe engagement is how we find our way back.

Sun Nov 9, 2025, 12:43 PM

Nov 9

Consider Mandami engaging with, and really listening to, trump voters.

Consider Deeyah Khan engaging with White Supremacists in her "My documentary about White Supremacy. White Right: Meeting the Enemy."

Deeyah is a courageous and compassionate woman. She wades into the lion's den and focuses on feelings, and how she, and the people she talks to, came to adopt the beliefs they have adopted-- and how those beliefs personally affect her.

Narrative of the whys and lived experience, instead of tossing opposing conclusions at each other, is how we can connect on a human level.

And frankly, whether it sparks reevaluation is not the point. She did not go into this with any expectations of convincing the people she spoke to. She went in with genuine curiosity. The paradox of going in to listen, and being real about where we are, with no expectations, is more powerful than arguing a "fact-based" or logical case.

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When a Trump supporter cries "This isn't what I voted for" [View all] SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 OP

K & R SunSeeker Nov 8 #1

Not too late to stop supporting him lame54 Nov 8 #2

You got what you wanted. Trump in the WH. Norrrm Nov 8 #3

Well, she got what she wanted. Liberals are pissed off. DFW Nov 8 #5

Learning Braille would be a sign that she has any interest in, or aptitude for, reading. Aristus Nov 8 #9

Yep, it's exactly what she voted for -- for others to suffer. Braille? Never! wordstroken Nov 8 #24

Wow! Conjuay Nov 9 #38

womp womp my dear. FAFO WhiteTara Nov 8 #8

"When you say 'waste, fraud, and abuse' you mean other people; when every other RockRaven Nov 8 #4

When a magat cries an angle gets their wings! paleotn Nov 8 #6

An acute observation to a large degree BaronChocula Nov 8 #18

I have no sympathy for MAGAs Grim Chieftain Nov 8 #7

I say, "of course it's not what you voted for. Only an evil troglodyte would vote for... Ol Janx Spirit Nov 8 #10

Not sure that would work with the Black & Hispanic males who switched to Trump in the 2024 prez election Martin Eden Nov 8 #11

It's not meant to SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #12

I should have clarified that "in general" applied to any Trump voter Martin Eden Nov 8 #14

You're right SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #16

Many are being shamed BaronChocula Nov 8 #20

Shame by community example can be effective Martin Eden Nov 8 #23

I'm a little obsessed with figuring out BaronChocula Nov 9 #28

The media environment is not conducive to rational choices Martin Eden Nov 9 #30

Yup. FAFO. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #13

A lesson that so many of his cult need to have happen. OldBaldy1701E Nov 9 #33

Me: "No. You voted for a psychopath!" Grins Nov 8 #15

I Haven't seen too many crying. Demobrat Nov 8 #17

You're lucky SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #19

Lucky? I'd rather see them cry than gloat. Demobrat Nov 8 #21

Ain't That A Shame... 3catwoman3 Nov 8 #22

Perhaps extend a little grace? pat_k Nov 8 #25

With these people? SocialDemocrat61 Nov 8 #26

Sure, if one of them was expressing anger at the Un-American, cruel, intolerable agenda harming them and their neighbors pat_k Nov 8 #27

Really depends SocialDemocrat61 Nov 9 #29

Same answer as #39 pat_k Nov 9 #41

Way too early to be cutting these shitheads any slack. Paladin Nov 9 #32

Same answer as #39 pat_k Nov 9 #40

I commend your good heart SocialDemocrat61 Nov 9 #43

That's a given. I'd say 25-35% of Americans have been lost racist fucks for as long as i've been alive. pat_k Nov 9 #44

Shunning is a practice not nearly practiced enough in this society. travelingthrulife Nov 9 #34

There is a place for shunning, but ultimately, I firmly believe engagement is how we find our way back. pat_k Nov 9 #39

Thanks for sharing Martin Eden Nov 9 #31

I haven't heard this yet D_Master81 Nov 9 #35

I would assume SocialDemocrat61 Nov 9 #36

An angel gets its wings? Swede Nov 9 #37

If they didn't know what they were voting for, then they should have listened to us... W_HAMILTON Nov 9 #42