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indusurb

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Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:39 AM Nov 10

So what was the point? [View all]

The government shutdown was supposedly about keeping the ACA affordable and available, keeping the ACA subsidies flowing. Democrats were fighting the good fight, the public sentiment was with them. Communities were coming together to help those in need with food and other supplies. Travelers were grumbling, but making workaround plans, the American people were making sacrifices and were ready to make more because they knew all of this was for a worthwhile cause. The momentum was on the side of right, popular opinion was with the Democrats, Trump and MAGA were on the ropes. All we had to do was hold strong and don't give up.

Then on Sunday, the Democrats caved, threw in the towel, all for what, a vague promise on a healthcare vote before the end of the year, a vote which may or may not happen, a vote which we will lose.

So what was the point? What was the point in putting people through a forty plus day wringer if you're not going to see the fight through to the end? If you're going to fight, then dammit, fight, to the very end. If all you're going to do is give up in the end, then don't bother putting people through hell, just cave at the beginning and save us all the time trouble and pain. Now, people who are on SNAP or are government employees are going to have to climb out of two holes, the one they're in because they didn't get their benefits and/or paychecks and the second being how are they going to pay for radically increased ACA premiums.

This is one reason the Democratic party is losing voters, they don't fight, they don't see the fight through, even when public opinion is on their side. They cave, and the result of their actions only make the original problem worse. I don't know what happened, at one time Democrats actually fought for what they believed in, but over the past few decades, not so much. They talk a good game, pious platitudes and all that, but when the rubber meets the road, well, let's say their efforts are less than disappointing.

The people of this country want to fight to take their country back, even at the expense of short term pain. The political party that is willing to lead them, to fight for them and with them, to see the matter through to the end, that party would become unstoppable. Right now, that party is not the Democratic party. Let's hope that isn't the case going forward.

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So what was the point? [View all] indusurb Nov 10 OP
Need coffee. BBL rzemanfl Nov 10 #1
She finally left her abusive husband! Chasstev365 Nov 10 #2
The vote they will probably have is to Bettie Nov 10 #3
You know, I counseled battered women. Not the best analogy Joinfortmill Nov 10 #24
I think it is a good analogy. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #46
We disagree. These women often struggle Joinfortmill Nov 10 #49
Yes but the entire point of therapy is to help them sever the abusive bonds. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #51
That is true, but the analogy was, to me, careless at best Joinfortmill Nov 10 #54
I think it was a good analogy, but I truly understand & respect your dissenting opinion. Celerity Nov 10 #70
+1 TheRealNorth Nov 10 #71
There have been discussions for some time. cachukis Nov 10 #4
If Schumer doesn't exact consequences... Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #5
+1 million. Also primary him. Primary all of them Arazi Nov 10 #7
He did not see the writing on the wall last time. cachukis Nov 10 #10
He never HAD the necessary leadership skills WyLoochka Nov 10 #68
Comity has been a loser for us for a long time. cachukis Nov 10 #69
Do you think Bernie Sanders as minority leader would have prevented this? W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #20
I'm not a Bernie fan, so no. NT Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #22
Then tell us who would have. W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #23
Someone younger. Corey Booker has some fire. Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #27
You think any of those that voted for this would have been swayed by a passionate speech from Booker? W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #31
Booker would have pulled committee assignments and threatened campaign funding Arazi Nov 10 #37
Would he? And if he did, would he be voted in as minority leader to begin with? W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #40
Worked for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. I'm not sure why we're even too afraid to do that? Arazi Nov 10 #42
Harry Reid was a great leader, but he had issues as well. W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #62
Is there any precedent in the modern Senate for such high profile sanctions against a large group of members? tritsofme Nov 10 #56
lol, seriously? Schumer sacked?! Don't tempt me... Arazi Nov 10 #58
A Senate leader who tried to strip the committee assignments of 8 senators for this vote would not last long. tritsofme Nov 10 #60
I like most of Bernie's ideas and policy plans, but he has never been effective at getting things passed Attilatheblond Nov 10 #57
And that was my point. Maybe it's time to put some fan favorites in power and let's see them do better. W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #64
I agree. Bernie has his strengths. What people need to remember - being an effective leader requires yellow dahlia Nov 10 #79
I think the Dems have been in disarray for some time. cachukis Nov 10 #61
This absolutely smells. Conveniently 8 senators who aren't running again cave. CentralMass Nov 10 #76
David Hogg doesn't sound like a smart ass now, does he? Duncan Grant Nov 10 #82
Exactly. SNAP benefits were on the cusp of being restored Arazi Nov 10 #6
I think delays and cuts to air travel were the deciding factor. Lonestarblue Nov 10 #26
The air traffic issue would have forced the end of the shutdown within a week Arazi Nov 10 #32
Republicans would never pass single payer health care. Hell they don't care if people DIE Bengus81 Nov 10 #38
Curious to see how many of the 8 get well paid pretend jobs on Airline boards of directors. Attilatheblond Nov 10 #59
To stop the No Kings protests? Emile Nov 10 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #17
There wasn't any it appears. I thought there was since it excited and encouraged so many people Nanjeanne Nov 10 #9
Less than a week after the election Shrek Nov 10 #11
That future ACA vote.... surfered Nov 10 #12
Exactly BigMin28 Nov 10 #13
Republicans in Congress are LAUGHING their asses off at Democrats Bengus81 Nov 10 #41
Are we screwed either way -- anyway? Festivito Nov 10 #14
We won. We made a point. (Satire) usonian Nov 10 #15
Are you tired of winning as I am? Emile Nov 10 #28
Oh, Senator Schumer, we're full of dismay. ( From the musical East Wing Story) usonian Nov 10 #44
This Gen X mom agrees with you - and you can be sure most of Gen Z agrees - TBF Nov 10 #16
Epstein file..... Johnson will have to swear in the new member. ashredux Nov 10 #18
We'll see. I'm not holding my breath though. Emile Nov 10 #25
Epstein files? HAH! indusurb Nov 10 #29
Our "health care" system is a trainwreck, ACA or not dwayneb Nov 10 #36
I agree with you wholeheartedly indusurb Nov 10 #43
We will NEVER berksdem Nov 10 #80
Forever the party berksdem Nov 10 #19
That's what kills me. They sacrificed victory on the altar of defeat vanessa_ca Nov 10 #73
Traitors..... flying-skeleton Nov 10 #21
All 8 aren't running again. CentralMass Nov 10 #78
We sure showed them! Sneederbunk Nov 10 #30
The main point was making Republicans feel the pain dwayneb Nov 10 #33
No, the point was to prevent an estimated 50,000 people from dying due to the lack of affordable health insurance indusurb Nov 10 #35
Tim FUCKING Kaine. He was just a hair from being the VP Bengus81 Nov 10 #34
Democrats in Congress were faced with a no-win moral dilemma. summer_in_TX Nov 10 #39
They opted for the option that will kill an estimated 50,000 people annually due to sky high premiums indusurb Nov 10 #48
I understand and it's an awful thing. summer_in_TX Nov 10 #83
Embolden tRump Blue Full Moon Nov 10 #45
It's all Kabuki theater. Irish_Dem Nov 10 #47
Didn't they get DownriverDem Nov 10 #50
From a long range strategic perspective, for reasons too numerous to go into here, I don't think it was all that Fil1957 Nov 10 #52
Oh, There Are Rationales, To Be Sure. But The Voters.... ColoringFool Nov 10 #53
Remember their names, write them down somewhere with your 'important papers' Attilatheblond Nov 10 #55
I suspected that the Dems had already... Tranquil72 Nov 10 #63
So they opted for more real pain in the form ofskyrocketing insurance premiums, indusurb Nov 10 #67
The DLC and other party leadership groups saw... TransitJohn Nov 10 #65
+1 leftstreet Nov 10 #66
The POINT was TWO-FOLD: Martin Eden Nov 10 #72
Nothing was going to change edisdead Nov 10 #74
The Republicans didn't cave. OrwellwasRight Nov 10 #81
Good question lets ask the 8 backstabbers republianmushroom Nov 10 #75
We blew a ton of capital and got bupkis C_U_L8R Nov 10 #77
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