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Bluetus

(2,966 posts)
33. You wouldn't feel that way if you were the CEO of Lockheed, Raytheon or Boeing
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 10:01 PM
Nov 2025

Bernie is right of course, that we must take care of every person that we put into battle, regardless of whether the cause is just or not. That must be a given.

But we should be discussing what are just wars. I don't think anybody would deny that WWII was a just war. And there are certainly tactical missions that are just. Most people would agree the mission to try to free the Iranian hostages was just, as was the mission to kill Osama bin Laden. Was Kosovo just? Probably. VIetnam? No way.

What about Iraq and Afghanistan? There might have been some just causes somewhere in there, but not for the KIND of war we fought. And Ukraine is showing that the traditional kinetic confrontations are not the way to fight wars in the 21st Century. We must lead a change where it is possible to question whether actions are just while still honoring every soldier who finds himself or herself on the business end of orders.

One of the 14 points of fascism is

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

We need to drive a change where veterans are encouraged to join in a conversation about the right use of force. Active duty soldiers must follow legal orders, or else you don't have an effective organization. But once retired, we need to encourage an ethos that says the best way to honor every soldier is to make sure they are only asked to put themselves in harm's way when the cause is just. and the strategy is sound.

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Let me be the first to Rec. this. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #1
here here ret5hd Nov 2025 #2
when it comes to Patriotism, I still think of Obama not wearing the flag lapel pin....... Takket Nov 2025 #3
I'm willing to 'justify'...... MyOwnPeace Nov 2025 #18
MyOwnPeace The Butler Nov 2025 #44
I'll sometimes wear this t shirt, along with my USMC Retired ball cap MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #4
Love it! I should get one for my husband, a Vietnam veteran! biophile Nov 2025 #8
Go to the Etsy website, they have numerous anti Trump shirts. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #9
Please know that we veterans don't like war... ZDU Nov 2025 #5
That's 100% correct. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #6
Exactly. TomSlick Nov 2025 #25
Barring the occasional psycho/sociopath, none of us who have experienced combat ... 11 Bravo Nov 2025 #46
If you want to support the troops drmeow Nov 2025 #7
WWI veterans were treated very badly too Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #30
We have treated our troops badly drmeow Nov 2025 #36
Shamefully true Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #39
Most active duty don't like war either. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #10
Well said Irish_Dem, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #11
You are a good example of what I am talking about. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #14
Agree with both of you popsdenver Nov 2025 #16
Exactly! TomSlick Nov 2025 #26
Hi Tom! I was thinking of you today and all the veterans here on DU. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #29
I'm Ojibwe, and Native Americans have always honored warriors. catbyte Nov 2025 #12
How sad is it that this is the only group of workers in the US guaranteed healthcare JT45242 Nov 2025 #13
A Nit To Pick ProfessorGAC Nov 2025 #15
I agree with you ProfessorGAC. I just got lazy when posting. I should have put "warrior" in quotes generalbetrayus Nov 2025 #20
Cool! ProfessorGAC Nov 2025 #22
That's what Kegsbreath is pushing all military to be... haele Nov 2025 #34
K&R times the number of veterans whose needs are not met Martin Eden Nov 2025 #17
Veterans Affairs KT2000 Nov 2025 #19
Bernie Sanders speaks for me Grim Chieftain Nov 2025 #21
I wouldn't mind honoring people for defending us if that's what they were actually doing. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2025 #23
Smedly Butler agreed with you way before our time Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #31
ding + 1000000000. AllaN01Bear Nov 2025 #24
I get annoyed at all the other folks who sacrifice for the common good who are NOT so honored DBoon Nov 2025 #27
From the first time I saw one of those commercials, slightlv Nov 2025 #28
Good on you, slightly! generalbetrayus Nov 2025 #43
My sister and I regularly take food, toys, etc. slightlv Nov 2025 #47
From the first time I saw one of those commercials The Butler Nov 2025 #45
And what's not easy to find out is exactly how much of that 19.95 is given slightlv Nov 2025 #48
You might want to check out this site BlueSpot Nov 2025 #50
Ex-serviceman, I agree entirely. marble falls Nov 2025 #32
You wouldn't feel that way if you were the CEO of Lockheed, Raytheon or Boeing Bluetus Nov 2025 #33
The older I get, the more I like Bernie. Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #35
Some risk their lives to save others. usonian Nov 2025 #37
Yeah. It pisses me off every time I see a "Wounded Warriors" ad. NNadir Nov 2025 #38
I share your views wholeheartedly. lastlib Nov 2025 #40
When the son... GiqueCee Nov 2025 #41
All those fans that love seeing the huge flag carried onto the field should read the Code of Flag Ethics. appleannie1 Nov 2025 #42
As one of those "warriors" (30 year Navy retiree) let me say maxrandb Nov 2025 #49
Honestly, the NE Patriots/NFL did a long segment on an Amerst, NH MOH winner. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2025 #51
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