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pat_k

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6. I stand by my analysis.

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:10 PM

Nov 2025

Trump was happy to have the shutdown continue long enough to give him an excuse to suppress the October jobs report, in which the largest mass resignation in history would be captured. (i.e., the 150,000 "fork in the road" resignations became official on 9/30).

Until early November, when it was too early to have a good excuse not to release that report, he didn't put much pressure on Thune. That was about to change, particular with the momentum behind the Democrats coming out of the election and a court order to pay full snap benefits was about to come down.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree Nov 2025 OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k Nov 2025 #1

40 damn days bigtree Nov 2025 #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k Nov 2025 #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree Nov 2025 #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k Nov 2025 #12

the federal workers bigtree Nov 2025 #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k Nov 2025 #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree Nov 2025 #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k Nov 2025 #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree Nov 2025 #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles Nov 2025 #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k Nov 2025 #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #75

Are you willing Mossfern Nov 2025 #81

Post 73 pat_k Nov 2025 #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern Nov 2025 #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k Nov 2025 #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK Nov 2025 #51

high horse bigtree Nov 2025 #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK Nov 2025 #45

Great post. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 Nov 2025 #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 Nov 2025 #104

Nope. SNAP is now funded until Sept 2026 NickB79 Nov 2025 #119

Agree 100% mr715 Nov 2025 #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k Nov 2025 #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass Nov 2025 #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree Nov 2025 #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass Nov 2025 #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 Nov 2025 #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 Nov 2025 #93

What they did mr715 Nov 2025 #109

Yep, it'll happen again until democrats prepare the pupulace to hold out for a long time uponit7771 Nov 2025 #121

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet Nov 2025 #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree Nov 2025 #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie Nov 2025 #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote Nov 2025 #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles Nov 2025 #24

well they weren't Skittles Nov 2025 #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet Nov 2025 #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern Nov 2025 #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet Nov 2025 #116

What behavior, in consideration Mossfern Nov 2025 #117

They didn't wanna kill the filibuster leftstreet Nov 2025 #118

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree Nov 2025 #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree Nov 2025 #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #25

it was cheeky bigtree Nov 2025 #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #44

thank you Skittles Nov 2025 #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #31

oh absolutely Skittles Nov 2025 #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote Nov 2025 #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote Nov 2025 #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie Nov 2025 #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree Nov 2025 #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue Nov 2025 #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie Nov 2025 #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote Nov 2025 #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles Nov 2025 #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 Nov 2025 #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 Nov 2025 #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical Nov 2025 #21

thank you Skittles Nov 2025 #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja Nov 2025 #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 Nov 2025 #113

With the historical record? Or with the chances this time around? reACTIONary Nov 2025 #122

Remember the wall? mr715 Nov 2025 #123

Sounds like this was a failed shutdown, not a win.... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #124

We don't have to govern. mr715 Nov 2025 #37

bumper sticker? bigtree Nov 2025 #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 Nov 2025 #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket Nov 2025 #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree Nov 2025 #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 Nov 2025 #52

that's specious bigtree Nov 2025 #59

Political Crutches mr715 Nov 2025 #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer Nov 2025 #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote Nov 2025 #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON Nov 2025 #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar Nov 2025 #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 Nov 2025 #46

+1 Agreed. onenote Nov 2025 #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja Nov 2025 #49

Great post! hamsterjill Nov 2025 #83

Thank you. iemanja Nov 2025 #87

Yep seems fair angrychair Nov 2025 #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #76

Right on. nt mr715 Nov 2025 #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool Nov 2025 #65

did you actually read the message Skittles Nov 2025 #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX Nov 2025 #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable Nov 2025 #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 Nov 2025 #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile Nov 2025 #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 Nov 2025 #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile Nov 2025 #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 Nov 2025 #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 Nov 2025 #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden Nov 2025 #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden Nov 2025 #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary Nov 2025 #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2025 #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler Nov 2025 #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight Nov 2025 #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych Nov 2025 #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad Nov 2025 #97

I literally read a poster with 50,000+ posts say it should have gone a YEAR NickB79 Nov 2025 #120

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir Nov 2025 #106