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jfz9580m

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8. The NYT is one of the very worst papers out there
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 09:10 PM
Nov 13

Except for Paul Krugman, they have pretty much always sucked. And Kristof is ..eh..he is a bit douchey but that aside not bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_York_Times_controversies

Chomsky nailed them:

In their book Manufacturing Consent (1988), Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky analyze major U.S. media outlets, with an emphasis on The Times. They believe that a bias exists which is neither liberal nor conservative in nature, but aligned towards the interests of corporations, which own most of these media outlets and also provide the majority of their advertising revenue. The authors explain that this bias functions in all sorts of ways:[91]

"by selection of topics, by distribution of concerns, by emphasis and framing of issues, by filtering of information, by bounding of debate within certain limits. They determine, they select, they shape, they control, they restrict — in order to serve the interests of dominant, elite groups in the society."[92]

Chomsky and Herman also touch on the importance of this perceived bias in The Times:
"history is what appears in The New York Times archives; the place where people will go to find out what happened is The New York Times. Therefore it's extremely important if history is going to be shaped in an appropriate way, that certain things appear, certain things not appear, certain questions be asked, other questions be ignored, and that issues be framed in a particular fashion."[92]


It’s also why like The Atlantic they shaped the popular and disastrous for earth worldview that any limits to growth are imaginary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

They are Cornucopian fantasists and douchey assholes as well. They also peddle Reefer Madness and promote sleazy anti-psychiatry influencers like Laura Delano.

That’s the level of their sleazy commitment to crassness and conservatism. They will on the one hand peddle Reefer Madness from the worst type of establishment friendly shrinks like the douchebags you would find at Stanford Psychiatry (Keith Humphreys, Smita Das, Nina Vasan, that Woebot woman)- it should not be acceptable to be in bed with data mining and defense contracting giants like Google, Palantir etc and also peddle narcotics war propaganda and coercive psychiatry. Like that’s a conflict of interest right there. On the other hand, they will also promote sleazy anti-psychiatry influencers like Laura Delano. They are a disgrace and it’s not surprising that they underplayed Hitler.

They are to journalism what Stanford psychiatry is to psychiatry. A few legit elites like Steve Chu aside, Stanford itself is pretty douchey overall. They are -like Gates, the NYT, The Atlantic etc, this stale stagnant hoary pseudo elite conservatives who are misrepresented as the “liberal” elite or even more laughably “radical left” by MAGA and MAHA types. Krugman was the last legit liberal they had.

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At the same time the NY Times... [View all] SocialDemocrat61 Nov 13 OP
TY for Marc Elias.. Cha Nov 13 #1
Totally and Absolutely! calimary Nov 15 #29
The NYT can roast in hell for all I care Blue Owl Nov 13 #2
Did they ever release what they had? KS Toronado Nov 13 #3
I believe that is a NO NotHardly Nov 13 #4
Tonkin Be Leave On Nov 13 #5
Sounds like the NYTimes is just another "wholly-owned subsidiary". calimary Nov 13 #6
They're Trying To Avoid... GB_RN Nov 13 #7
Seems, the NY Times gave an illegal campaign contribution Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #13
The BBC didn't fold. muriel_volestrangler Nov 16 #33
I Didn't Mean Fold Like CBS... GB_RN Nov 18 #34
The NYT is one of the very worst papers out there jfz9580m Nov 13 #8
It's sounds like just one, huge, illegal Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #14
Yeah it should jfz9580m Nov 15 #21
MSM is corrupted. Joinfortmill Nov 13 #9
Is this what is being referred to? It doesn't amount.... reACTIONary Nov 14 #10
The more NYT apologists try to minimize this ... SocialDemocrat61 Nov 14 #11
Much of the public doesn't trust legacy media.... reACTIONary Nov 14 #12
you don't know who Marc Elias is??? LymphocyteLover Nov 15 #22
Nope never heard of him..... reACTIONary Nov 15 #24
there was a lot more than that, including one where the notorious pedophile said TRUMP WAS EVIL BEYOND BELIEF LymphocyteLover Nov 14 #19
Here is the exchange with the reporter, as reported by the Daily Beast.... reACTIONary Nov 14 #20
No one is saying that in itself is something that needed to be reported or rushed into print LymphocyteLover Nov 15 #23
Actually, that seems to be the point the OP was making ..... reACTIONary Nov 15 #25
Sure, but I was referring to the specific email I quoted, not the more general issue of what sort of LymphocyteLover Nov 15 #26
OK. So to the point about cozying up .... reACTIONary Nov 15 #28
I'm not so concerned about what that reporter wrote about Epstein as what he wrote about Trump LymphocyteLover Nov 16 #30
I'm glad you looked into it. The article.... reACTIONary Nov 16 #31
The point about Landon and Epstein is that in 2016, we knew who Epstein was -- a major pedo rapist-- LymphocyteLover Nov 16 #32
F the NYT. Gimpyknee Nov 14 #15
I'm from the "Show Me" state. I've always believed the NYT was overrated. LT Barclay Nov 14 #16
The Gray Lady sucks PJMcK Nov 14 #17
The FUCKING NYT wanted trump to win, full stop LymphocyteLover Nov 14 #18
The M$M is complicit !!! One of the reasons we have PedoKKKon today uponit7771 Nov 15 #27
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