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Martin Eden

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109. Obtaining a pardon from Vance could motivate his resignation

Fri Nov 14, 2025, 06:49 PM

Nov 2025

If he's convinced a Democrat will be sworn in as president in Jan 2029, it would be a smart move to get the pardons.

But is Trump smart enough to overcome his ego and hubris after getting away with everything for so many years?

Hell, he probably thinks he'll get a 3rd term. That certainly is his intent.

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I May Be Going out on a Limb with a Chain Saw, But Here's a Prediction: [View all] MineralMan Nov 2025 OP

Krasnov will die proclaiming his innocence. gab13by13 Nov 2025 #1

I don't know. I've always imagined a "Weekend at Bernie's" scenario where they prop Trump up as he rots. Vinca Nov 2025 #2

Isn't that Katcat Nov 2025 #21

I think he will resign also. Too many things happening that show he is incompetent and, of course, a liar beyond OLDMDDEM Nov 2025 #3

A pardon won't stop the State prosecutions Bluestocking Nov 2025 #4

Well, perhaps you're right about that. MineralMan Nov 2025 #6

Argentina has a villa waiting. rubbersole Nov 2025 #52

and it only cost Trump $40 billion of taxpayer funds DBoon Nov 2025 #56

Argentina has an extradition treaty with the United States Wednesdays Nov 2025 #68

Next door to Andrew Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #99

I'm with you on the Arabian Peninsula... slightlv Nov 2025 #122

He'll be protected in Florida... hunter Nov 2025 #19

Absolutely MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #84

He looks terrible lately. I think you could be right about resigning for health reasons. beaglelover Nov 2025 #5

He does, doesn't he? MineralMan Nov 2025 #7

He has, true - soldierant Nov 2025 #118

Lately? MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #87

Plausible but not so fast? imanamerican63 Nov 2025 #8

A Self Pardon Is Sketchy at Best. Not Sure Enough to Rely on. MineralMan Nov 2025 #10

Right, butttt! It is Trump? imanamerican63 Nov 2025 #14

He can try to declare Martial Law all he wants, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #16

I won't believe until I see it. He will take us all down with him if he can. themaguffin Nov 2025 #9

I don't think he can do that. MineralMan Nov 2025 #11

"Once he loses the support of enough Republicans in Congress, he's done" LudwigPastorius Nov 2025 #78

They'll have to sign his resignation using the Autopen, then spirit him away, drugged and in a straitjacket. sop Nov 2025 #12

And a Hannibal Lecter mask MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #90

Not looking good at all pat_k Nov 2025 #13

When even Bo-Bo is smart enough to put distance between herself and the kiddy diddler... Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #58

We could see enough getting off the train for a veto override. pat_k Nov 2025 #106

Some GOP officials will likely use an override vote in their next campaigns Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #117

Or perhaps he'll drink a nice cup of tea some day... Talitha Nov 2025 #15

He'll bluster and bully his way through Retrograde Nov 2025 #17

I want him gone in whatever way works, but hamsterjill Nov 2025 #18

Don will not obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2025 #20

"Don," eh? Sounds like you know him well... MineralMan Nov 2025 #25

No, I think that might have been a play on words. As in Mafia 'Don.' n/t PatrickforB Nov 2025 #89

Oh sure he will! He's a TACO. No one knows cowardess as well as he does. Nobody in the world knows it like he does. marble falls Nov 2025 #28

It will take a lot more than a pardon. We know he can be bought. We know he'll want the biggest golden wiggs Nov 2025 #22

Oh...forgot one thing. Even though he hasn't read Catch-22, he'll want us all to be wiggs Nov 2025 #23

Remember... GiqueCee Nov 2025 #31

Perhaps he will resign to stop the Epstein investigation Keepthesoulalive Nov 2025 #24

Would Trump resigning, stop the investigation? karynnj Nov 2025 #92

The senators and congressmen do the bidding of their benefactors Keepthesoulalive Nov 2025 #98

Can't pardon Orange Dickface of non Federal crimes. marble falls Nov 2025 #26

I doubt he'll resign. indigoth Nov 2025 #27

Agree - I don't think narcissists resign womanofthehills Nov 2025 #34

Probably love the spectacle of another impeachment trial leftstreet Nov 2025 #44

But, but, but... GiqueCee Nov 2025 #29

Yes, they are. However, they're also not as serious as federal charges. MineralMan Nov 2025 #30

Lol Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #101

If we later learn that Chump is guilty of a heinous crime .... FakeNoose Nov 2025 #32

My Answer: Who Cares? MineralMan Nov 2025 #35

If trump does resign for" health reasons," JD will be issuing a pardon LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #33

Yes. Just as I said. MineralMan Nov 2025 #36

Nixon/Ford homegirl Nov 2025 #39

My guess is odins folly Nov 2025 #50

Hopefully before he razes the West Wing. TommyT139 Nov 2025 #37

Trump has been homegirl Nov 2025 #38

Yes, he is that, for sure. MineralMan Nov 2025 #41

I don't think in his demented mind he will ever give up the presidency. GoodRaisin Nov 2025 #40

I don't think even he could pull that off, frankly. MineralMan Nov 2025 #42

The obvious question is who is going to stop him? GoodRaisin Nov 2025 #111

We shall see oh wise one. You did give me an idea for a comment to Orrex in the a.m. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #43

Wise one or wise guy? I'm never sure... MineralMan Nov 2025 #45

You can be both and you are. See. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #48

He is a narcissist and will never admit guilt. kellytore Nov 2025 #46

Not necessarily. He can just transfer blame and quit in a huff. MineralMan Nov 2025 #63

Or a minute and a huff... PopArtMonkey Nov 2025 #130

Normally I could see that but Trump never signals quitting or not being a perfect being. underpants Nov 2025 #47

He does have a pretty thick veneer on him. MineralMan Nov 2025 #49

Not necessarily. Seinan Sensei Nov 2025 #121

I wish I shared your hopes. Gimpyknee Nov 2025 #51

my question is jaymac Nov 2025 #57

Repubs are thinking, "If Vance would just hook up with that Kirk woman we might keep the cult united." -nt CrispyQ Nov 2025 #81

He will have to be dead before he is gone in my opinion Beringia Nov 2025 #53

See, I don't think he has enough moxie to tough it out. MineralMan Nov 2025 #55

We shall see Beringia Nov 2025 #119

Sorry but unless he strokes out we are stuck with the pedo Pres for the next few years. Nt yaesu Nov 2025 #54

no matter the date he will hand it to - Nigrum Cattus Nov 2025 #59

The excuse might be to spend more time with his family.... rzemanfl Nov 2025 #60

Nobody would believe that. MineralMan Nov 2025 #64

Both parts? rzemanfl Nov 2025 #67

You are correct. The sons' involvement in American Bitcoin Corp is just one of many grifts. John1956PA Nov 2025 #129

If the midterms result in a big blue wave Deminpenn Nov 2025 #61

Maybe. But why would Vance need to pardon him? Or want to? Ocelot II Nov 2025 #62

Hmm... MineralMan Nov 2025 #72

Whether Vance might want to risk Ford's fate would depend on how far Trump has fallen by then Ocelot II Nov 2025 #77

Trump has committed so many crimes that there's no way he can remember them all to pardon them away. W_HAMILTON Nov 2025 #65

Good point! MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #97

I like your optimism 🤞 CentralMass Nov 2025 #66

New York, New York, it's a wonderful town, the Bronx is up and the Battery's down Jersey Devil Nov 2025 #69

I suspect the sense of relief would be so great that MineralMan Nov 2025 #74

True, but the idea of kicking him around a bit is just too tempting Jersey Devil Nov 2025 #83

Will believe it when I see it! John Coktosten Nov 2025 #70

I'm afraid your saw is out of gas, but I will climb up to you with the spare can. Tbear Nov 2025 #71

If anyone tries to stop me, I'll cut off the branch behind me. MineralMan Nov 2025 #76

Trump will never resign. LudwigPastorius Nov 2025 #73

There will be no resignation. Ever. Buckeyeblue Nov 2025 #75

Nah. He will just say, MineralMan Nov 2025 #79

Is your chainsaw gas or electric powered? PJMcK Nov 2025 #80

It's a Stihl. Guaranteed to start on the first pull. MineralMan Nov 2025 #82

Would Trump trust Vance enough to actually relinquish the power? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2025 #85

Can't he or hasn't he pardoned himself ? And he wouldn't admit to health issues JI7 Nov 2025 #86

I think he is incapable of that degree of trust (in Vance, in anybody). RockRaven Nov 2025 #88

I am gonna Traildogbob Nov 2025 #91

I suppose it could happen -- it did with Nixon -- but it's certainly not going to happen in the next seven weeks, rsdsharp Nov 2025 #93

Nope. My dollar is on him riding this out, WestMichRad Nov 2025 #94

This sounds interesting... babsbunny Nov 2025 #95

I don't think Trump will last more than 6 months. mercuryblues Nov 2025 #96

I'm beginning to think you are correct.I think democrats no Tribetime Nov 2025 #100

Whatever It Takes! Health, Crime, Treason, Death....! 😉🤞 ColoringFool Nov 2025 #102

New York State DOJ can't wait C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #103

Possible.. Yes. ._. Nov 2025 #104

Baby! czarjak Nov 2025 #105

HAHAHAHA This POS NEVER gives up. He's still fighting the 2020 election! Callie1979 Nov 2025 #107

My prediction is similar to yours but involves a colossal spiral instead of a chainsaw. BluesRunTheGame Nov 2025 #108

Obtaining a pardon from Vance could motivate his resignation Martin Eden Nov 2025 #109

Health reasons may be real. My step-daughter nurse practitioner gives her opinion that he ain't gonna be 3Hotdogs Nov 2025 #110

Nope pattyloutwo Nov 2025 #112

He'd never resign but he could die mcar Nov 2025 #113

Lacks the Self-Awareness to Recognize His Situation FrankTC Nov 2025 #114

I'm not sure Trump would ever agree to the pardon stuff. GoCubsGo Nov 2025 #115

You're following conventional theories of human behavior. Safe as Milk Nov 2025 #116

Maybe but he's a full blown narcissist Javaman Nov 2025 #120

He will never voluntarily give up the grift JoseBalow Nov 2025 #123

Everything about trump--especially the 2025 part--has been so beyond belief... C Moon Nov 2025 #124

He'll just end up like Reagan's second term Tree Lady Nov 2025 #125

The end of 2025 is only about six weeks away... Mark.b2 Nov 2025 #126

Just in case DFW Nov 2025 #127

trump will die before he voluntarily leaves the job. rampartd Nov 2025 #128

Can we rename Vance to "Gerald Ford"? LiberalArkie Nov 2025 #131

Double pardon? Pachamama Nov 2025 #132

Sure. Why not? MineralMan Nov 2025 #133

I see there being a scenario as you described and there being some kind of agreement between the two in advance Pachamama Nov 2025 #135

If it's bad for Trump, I'm good with it. MineralMan Nov 2025 #136

Yeah. He has become a liability due to his mental illness and dementia. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #134

I don't believe Trump will ever resign. More likely a medical issue will incapacitate him. Martin68 Nov 2025 #137

He will NEVER resign biocube Nov 2025 #138

I think this scenario is pretty much how things will all go down. Texin Nov 2025 #139

Resign and get pardoned is the only sure way to get off the hook. thought crime Nov 2025 #140