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pat_k

(13,245 posts)
21. It is bad enough that women still must defend their right to make life altering choices about continuing a pregnancy..
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:49 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Tue Nov 25, 2025, 11:10 PM - Edit history (2)

... now, they are not just denied that right, but their doctors are DENIED the choice to fulfill their hippocratic oath by performing a medical procedure that preserves the life of a woman over the continued "life" of a fetus -- a "life" which is either non-viable as a result of a defect or clearly non-viable under Roe v. Wade.

From Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway "I found Roe’s focus on fetal viability to be a decent compromise. Once a developing fetus has a fighting chance of surviving outside the womb, elective termination of the pregnancy (outside of serious health complications) is more or less objectively immoral.

When does life begin? Reckoning with surprising answers in Scripture
Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway
Jul 19, 2022

Excerpts

As Christians engage in the cultural debate over abortion following the overturning of Roe v. Wade, perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible’s teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility.

For it was you who formed my inward parts;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

On Jeramiah
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

God intimate knowledge of us -- not when.

Life begins at first breath
"Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

It would seem, therefore, that God’s law in the Old Testament recognizes a difference between human life outside the womb (once first breath has been drawn) and the potential life status of a developing fetus.

Perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible’s teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility. As Christians, we should strive to relate all of our views and actions to Scripture. When the witness of Scripture is not fully clear—and especially when it clashes with our assumptions—that should call our own certainty into question and inspire humility.

Maybe we are not meant to fully understand when life begins. Maybe God—in God’s infinite wisdom—decided that such knowledge is beyond our paygrade. And maybe that’s okay.

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ding x 1000000000! AllaN01Bear Nov 2025 #1
Excellent 👍👍💙💙 TommieMommy Nov 2025 #2
Brava! sheshe2 Nov 2025 #3
Hmmmm.....do men have lack of standing in court? Karadeniz Nov 2025 #4
What do you think, do they? bluesbassman Nov 2025 #6
That's an excellent question. If a man is just the vehicle for the distribution of zillions of sperm erronis Nov 2025 #8
THIS!!! calimary Nov 2025 #5
I couldn't agree more. 👍 Dave Bowman Nov 2025 #7
She is 100% correct. GoodRaisin Nov 2025 #9
The provider of the egg and the nurture should be the only one to have authority, under law and justice. erronis Nov 2025 #10
Excellent! 2naSalit Nov 2025 #11
Some men have uteruses and plenty of women think abortion should be illegal. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #12
Noted. ZDU Nov 2025 #15
Supportive of? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #18
Bill Clinton suggested that abortion should be safe, legal and rare.. Permanut Nov 2025 #13
When abortion is safe and legal, there's no reason for it to be rare. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #17
Roger that.. Permanut Nov 2025 #19
Safety as in...? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #20
I'm not a health care provider.. Permanut Nov 2025 #22
Depends on the method of prevention. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #25
Safety as in abortion is a lower health risk than dental work, and giving birth is a higher health risk than dental work ancianita Nov 2025 #27
Right. Mife is safer than Tylenol. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #28
As a 65 year old woman... pat_k Nov 2025 #24
"I do not know ANY FEMALE person who would "choose" abortion as a method of birth control" WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #26
Just curious. Are you now, or have your ever been a person who could become pregnant? pat_k Nov 2025 #29
What about my response prompts this McCarthyist question? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #30
I fear I may have responded in a knee jerk way because... pat_k Nov 2025 #31
Thank you for your apology. Please don't beat yourself up about it. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #36
Abortion can be safe, legal, rare, free, on demand and without apology all at once biophile Nov 2025 #41
You have a point that "rare" as a policy goal can attach a stigma to it. pat_k Nov 2025 #42
Hear, hear! ZDU Nov 2025 #14
Don't forget the "It's not my fault. She was askin' for it." part. Ping Tung Nov 2025 #16
It is bad enough that women still must defend their right to make life altering choices about continuing a pregnancy.. pat_k Nov 2025 #21
Not one of you live in fear of having a miscarriage and being hauled off to jail Clouds Passing Nov 2025 #23
Interesting to see this, right after learning that robert dear, the Planned niyad Nov 2025 #32
Just learned this too pat_k Nov 2025 #33
K&R spanone Nov 2025 #34
Wow. Just, wow. And Amen. Joinfortmill Nov 2025 #35
I'm glad to get on the rec list. Better late than never. NNadir Nov 2025 #37
I and my husband have always felt those true words. chouchou Nov 2025 #38
But, the Bible says ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2025 #39
100% true! Martin68 Nov 2025 #40
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