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BH liberal

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11. I helped train the Kansas National Guard...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:25 AM
Nov 2025

as an active duty artillery officer during the months leading up to my own orders to Vietnam. Elements of the Kansas Guard's 69th Brigade were deployed to Vietnam in 1968. My job as a Second Lieutenant fresh out of artillery school was to ready artillery battery personnel for close support of infantry units. What I quickly found out is that those guard enlisted men and officers were mostly too incompetent to successfully carry out their upcoming missions. And compounding this problem was a prevailing attitude that overseas deployment was "not what we signed up for". Too many had expected that their National Guard enlistment would shield them from seeing duty in combat zones.

The first battery that I took out for trials on the Fort Carson, Colorado firing range failed miserably. That would set the tone for what was to come in the following weeks. The unit leaders were given maps of the location to set up their guns and the coordinates of their assigned targets. The objective was for the battery personnel to correctly lay in the guns and put fire on those targets, mainly old tanks and other equipment placed out on the range. Our job as safety officers and supervisors was to check their work as they set up and prepared to fire. We were not to interfere if mistakes were made, unless those mistakes would endanger lives and property on the base.

To make a long story short, the battery set up 180 degrees out...in other words, they were preparing to fire in the opposite direction from their designated targets. We halted them as they prepared to fire, since their guns were aimed back at the base instead of down range. Naturally, their officers were embarrassed to no end. What's more, the fears of many of the Guard members that their meager training back in Kansas had not been adequate for what was to be expected of them in Vietnam. And we as trainers had too little time to work with them before they were to be deployed.

Later Army Reserve experience in training other states' Guard units during two summers after my own discharge from active duty confirmed the problems Guard members faced. These issues were systemic. Their training was inadequate. Fast forward to present day and our National Guard units are being pressed into service for other jobs for which they are not adequately trained...as law enforcement in this case. They are being misused...criminally...by the Trump Administration.

Poor economies for the middle and lower classes negate the need for a draft or mandatory service. marble falls Nov 2025 #1
It has been this way for a very long time. OldBaldy1701E Nov 2025 #2
Not only income inequality TommyT139 Nov 2025 #3
VT governor Scott refused to send the VT Guard karynnj Nov 2025 #24
This is especially true in the state of West Virginia FakeNoose Nov 2025 #4
I wonder how much training they receive. Hugin Nov 2025 #5
Training wasn't an issue. Sarah Beckstrom had been a Guard member since June, 2023. Gimpyknee Nov 2025 #25
Ummm ... I could swear I read that she was 20 years old? AZJonnie Nov 2025 #27
My mistake - 2023. Gimpyknee Nov 2025 #29
It was reported that popsdenver Nov 2025 #36
I seriously doubt she had training for law enforcement in an urban environment. n/t Hugin Nov 2025 #30
It is being reported that none popsdenver Nov 2025 #37
Why would JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #7
I'm sure nobody joins the NG expecting to end up playing cop in an American city! ShazzieB Nov 2025 #34
The young lady JustAnotherGen Dec 2025 #39
Okay? ShazzieB Dec 2025 #40
The boyfriend JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #6
She seemed onboard with keeping Farmer-Rick Nov 2025 #13
I am sure that they were all being fed Republican propaganda popsdenver Nov 2025 #38
She wanted a job with "meaning" as she knew it. haele Nov 2025 #20
True today DownriverDem Nov 2025 #8
Yep. That brings back memories. calimary Nov 2025 #9
In George W's case it was a way to fly cool jets without being put in harm's way. sop Nov 2025 #10
Unless your unit was activated. niyad Nov 2025 #15
Back then it was a legal way to draft dodge dflprincess Nov 2025 #17
I helped train the Kansas National Guard... BH liberal Nov 2025 #11
Your post is so important. Would you consider posting it as its own OP, niyad Nov 2025 #16
I am a newbie poster here and don't think I can start threads yet... BH liberal Nov 2025 #19
Surprise, surprise... BH liberal Nov 2025 #23
It's possible the entry point may be 50 comments before starting a thread AZJonnie Nov 2025 #28
Minimum is 10. niyad Nov 2025 #32
Actually, you are not a newbie, having signed up in Jan. 2024, and have niyad Nov 2025 #31
One Of Many Reasons modrepub Nov 2025 #12
I think our M$M does know what's going on - they just don't report it. Not their job - reporting the news... erronis Nov 2025 #18
Most members of the National Guard, as with the military as a whole, come from the working- and middle-classes. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #14
That Begs The Question: Why Do we Have This Vast Income Inequality DallasNE Nov 2025 #21
Poverty draft. I know a couple who chose this route. cbabe Nov 2025 #22
We're Still Fighting the Tolerance for Slavery, Indentured Servitude, and Obscene Economic Stratification The Roux Comes First Nov 2025 #26
I was in the Army Reserve, so my experience does not include the Guard. TomSlick Nov 2025 #33
Well said. K&R c-rational Nov 2025 #35
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