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jfz9580m

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59. It's pretty mediocre
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 05:33 AM
Dec 8

The first time I used it for a physics question I was impressed..for about half a second (not literally, but it palled pretty soon).

As I asked it more questions, I realized that this thing is more mediocre than I am. Why the hell would I want a tool dumber than I am to synthesize anything? The only use for something like that would be a tortuous experiment in critical thinking.

Of late I have been thinking that there is a certain utility to looking at stuff you have no sympathy for and going “well whatever that is, it is so atrociously wrong, it may even be informative.” A guy called Bobby Azarian comes to mind and he isn’t even a bot.

I can’t say that I would pan a tortuous experiment in critical thinking in itself. If it was an LLM analogous to the NIH’s ImageJ it would be one thing.

But I am a purist for various reasons (I tried the open minded thing and yeah no. It just makes one nuts to keep trying to think like this: “How would I think if I were a completely different person and a person I can’t stand?” ).

I get nuance blah blah to adequate levels as is. I don’t need to pretend to be collegial towards the tech industry and I have no use for any products or experiments those creeps churn out. I am not a “sucker” or a damn performing flea (or at any rate not knowingly or willingly).

I dislike the way those people think. An ai or ai experiment conducted exclusively by scientists I trust and respect would be one thing. But not one filled with the standard issue creeps of Google, Facebook, Stanford etc. I hate those guys.

Human intelligence itself is not that easy to define. For instance, there are definite answers to simple physics problem*.

But how you get there is different for different humans. Yeah 2+2 is four. But if I was doing that involved and complex calculation and not around the kind of scientists I knew at the NIH, but those creeps from Google, I would take longer. I would be slower because most of my brain would be preoccupied with “What is that Google creep doing? What new nuisance is this creep going to shove in while claiming it is inevitable and that I am a paranoid, grandiose, borderline, addicted, delusional, narcissistic, and depressed female for wondering what this creep is up to?”

Jokes aside, I find the way those guys think glib, repellant and draconian/austere yet inept, lightweight and sleazy. Normal scientists aren’t Machiavellian and don’t take secrecy, deception and herding as normal aspects of reality.

So an Ai built and trained by those guys using generic internet content, poorly designed experiments would so obviously have all these problems. When academics have less influence over a field, I do think it suffers. Meta’s Yan LeCun isn’t too bad that way. He is with Meta so that part is bad. But as a person, he seems trustworthy.
I don’t trust many of the others to be honest, which is about the worst thing I can say about another scientist.

Personality and the human side of science cannot be totally ignored. That’s how merely for disliking that culture, a person can end up being smeared as a lunatic or worse fraud or stupid and slow.

Seriously fuck those guys. I am mediocre as a scientist as is. But, I didn’t have to be this mediocre. Those creeps shouldn’t be allowed near education (edtech!) and healthcare (medtech!). What is worse, Maha is not the group to take that on. Between those creeps and the anti vaxxer nazis etc. A pox on them all. It’s very tiresome when MAGA, MAHA and MTG etc take up the mantle of tech criticism because much like conspiracy theorists they go about it the wrong way, which net helps those guys. I’d like to see them laugh off people like Becker as easily.

*: If you leave out contentious areas. I am reading a book by Adam Becker called “What is real?” about an area of physics I know nothing about, quantum physics. It outlines how contentious The Copenhagen Interpretation was. In contrast to the tech creeps, I like how Becker thinks. He is refreshingly cult “aura” free. He reminds me of normal scientists.

I dislike Liu Cixin’s worldview but my one sentiment wrt the types of people in those sciences is summed up by the pacifist in three-body-problem. To other scientists or doctors I would like I would have said “Run and avoid those people. It’s not the Ai -that would be like these buggy Ai agents. No amount of theft can make those things not shit. It’s the humans. Avoid them and their influence because they take over and destroy everything. It’s not the tech. It’s the mind games.
In the 14 years since I have seen that trash, Roe v Wade has been overturned, the environment and democracy have deteriorated and life has become worse in every material and immaterial way. I tried to warn my colleagues, but I was too incoherent.
The overreach of the Trump admin could be a turning point (not of the Charlie Kirk type) wrt avoiding those technofascists and their sleazy neoliberal pitches.
Seriously don’t fall for them again. They have damn near destroyed publicly funded science, all regulation, women’s rights and civil rights. Their notion of nuance and middle ground is extremist rubbish. It is the worst kind of syncretic. Most of us get nuance and complexity anyway. We don’t need the shit these guys are selling. They are lame and daft but that doesn’t mean they are not dangerous. These were the most hellish years of my life and never again.
They pervert everything they influence.”

I know it sounds ott
Just trying to be a public spirited human.


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Critical work was and is done slowly and carefully. usonian Dec 7 #1
Now it is on my mind MuseRider Dec 7 #2
I'm 56 and I've only seen a slide rule once or twice. Haggard Celine Dec 7 #3
False premise. NASA and the other entities involved used computers. They did not only use slide rules. Celerity Dec 7 #4
Didn't John Glenn ask the women mathmaticians of "Hiden Figures" to do manual calculations Deminpenn Dec 7 #5
Never saw that movie, but you said 'check the computer calculations' so computers were obviously used to a degree. Celerity Dec 7 #7
The computers... IcyPeas Dec 7 #15
See comment 15: the "computers" were women. TommyT139 Dec 8 #57
No, the women checked the computers' outputs. Also see comments in this thread confirming that computers were used Celerity Dec 8 #58
Jmo, but a lot of "AI" seems just to be a rebrand of things that Deminpenn Dec 7 #6
Its way more than that JCMach1 Dec 7 #10
A lot is what is called AI isn't. Ms. Toad Dec 7 #12
Then anyone could "write" such a thesis because it would require minimal knowledge and the AI highplainsdem Dec 7 #16
I've seen a couple reports that AI has already revealed some dangers... buzzycrumbhunger Dec 7 #53
. I've read a little about this, and here is what I think is going on.... reACTIONary Dec 7 #55
AI technology is the new reality anciano Dec 7 #8
You can't enhance creativity with AI, any more than you enhance creativity asking someone else to highplainsdem Dec 7 #9
I don't think this is fair. mr715 Dec 7 #14
Curious about what you mean when you say it inspires you. Do you mean you ask it for ideas? highplainsdem Dec 7 #18
It did a psychic reading mr715 Dec 7 #35
Cool 😎 .... anciano Dec 7 #40
See reply 37. highplainsdem Dec 7 #50
Okay, I'll give you an A+ for creativity just for writing a poem for a science communication workshop. highplainsdem Dec 7 #49
Yours is one of the few nuanced takes I've read about one of the major faults with AI... appmanga Dec 7 #54
Thanks, but I'm just trying to relay some of what I've heard from artists and writers and others highplainsdem Dec 8 #61
I mean... the poem was well received mr715 Dec 8 #62
GenAI is very good at mimicry. highplainsdem Dec 8 #64
Some don't need it for creativity tinrobot Dec 7 #48
We didn't do it with a slide rule DavidDvorkin Dec 7 #11
I never used a slide rule. mr715 Dec 7 #13
It isn't at all cool that AI is being widely used for cheating and students are learning less as a highplainsdem Dec 7 #19
Students also learn more... WarGamer Dec 7 #22
GenAI is never hallucination-free. I don't know where you got the idea that it is. highplainsdem Dec 7 #23
It's because history is set. WarGamer Dec 7 #25
See reply 26. highplainsdem Dec 7 #27
If you ask Grok mr715 Dec 7 #41
It wasn't that long ago that Grok was identifying him as the main source of misinformation on X, highplainsdem Dec 7 #46
Now it does funny stuff mr715 Dec 7 #47
Yes. Smarter than Einstein, and more fit than LeBron James: highplainsdem Dec 7 #51
Re hallucinations - see this article: highplainsdem Dec 7 #26
Yup I'm a Gemini Pro 3.0 power user... since day 1 and version 1. WarGamer Dec 7 #29
You just contradicted what you said minutes ago about it being hallucination-free. highplainsdem Dec 7 #31
I specifically said history topics along with other disciplines that don't change and are "set" WarGamer Dec 7 #33
The topic doesn't matter. All genAI models can hallucinate on any topic. highplainsdem Dec 7 #34
*can yes... WarGamer Dec 7 #39
Just one study: highplainsdem Dec 7 #45
And see these threads about AI and hallucinations: highplainsdem Dec 7 #28
The undergrads I teach mr715 Dec 7 #36
We need to adapt. mr715 Dec 7 #42
I'll be the first to say it: What's a slide rule? Polybius Dec 7 #17
Wikipedia is very useful: highplainsdem Dec 7 #20
Hey, never cite wikipedia! mr715 Dec 7 #43
50 years ago if I told you I could hold a piece of glass and access global knowledge... WarGamer Dec 7 #21
You don't know if it was "dead accurate" unless you took the time to check that those were the highplainsdem Dec 7 #24
I did... I back checked it. WarGamer Dec 7 #32
Cool 😎.... anciano Dec 7 #30
Not exactly. highplainsdem Dec 7 #37
I find this discussion fascinating. It seems that the algorithm has figured out people are inherently lazy learners. cayugafalls Dec 7 #38
It is a fancy autocorrect mr715 Dec 7 #44
Like it or not, if you have a job interview these days you better have an AI story/strategy underpants Dec 7 #52
In some professions use of AI is a badge of dishonor. highplainsdem Dec 8 #56
It's pretty mediocre jfz9580m Dec 8 #59
We weren't allowed to use a slide rule in school. That was cheating. Emile Dec 8 #60
Did you memorize logs? nt mr715 Dec 8 #65
We had to walk 5 miles barefoot in snow to school too. Emile Dec 8 #67
Uphill both ways. mr715 Dec 8 #68
LOL, that's right 👍. Emile Dec 8 #69
I wonder the same about calculators Torchlight Dec 8 #63
And grad students. nt mr715 Dec 8 #66
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