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Fiendish Thingy

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15. That is clearly inaccurate
Mon Jan 12, 2026, 12:34 PM
Jan 12

In the past week, we have seen numerous Republicans defect and pushback against Trump on various issues in both floor votes and public statements, including about Greenland.

If the EU starts selling off its treasury bonds and the US dollar is on the verge of collapse, not to mention seizing/banning US companies, donations to republicans will evaporate, and the pressure from the financial elites for congress to rein Trump in or remove him altogether will be tremendous.

Let’s take Musk, for example- If Tesla is blocked from doing business in Europe, Starlink is shut down, and X is banned, what do you think his position will be?

Now ask Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, Peter Theil, Jamie Dimon, etc. Their supplication to Trump will flip in a heartbeat if European retaliation becomes a bigger threat to their bottom line than Trump’s wrath.

There are only a small number of true die hard Trump cultists among Republicans in congress and among the financial elites- most are just opportunists or terrified scaredy-cats. When the heat ramps up, they will flee like the cowardly rats we always knew them to be.

Up to this point they could shrug off Trump’s worse impulse because it didn’t impact them personally and business/politics was still soaring in their favor, but an invasion of Greenland would end that overnight.

Hopefully they will use their leverage before it’s too late for them or us.

PS- you must have missed the reports yesterday that JCOS pushed back on Trump order to develop plans for an invasion of Greenland, saying it would be illegal, as well as past reports of National Guard CO’s stating they would refuse to order troops to use force against Americans (Oregon commander specifically, but others made similar comments).

Yes, some have followed orders of questionable legality, using justifications from Trump’s Yes Men JAGs as legal cover, but I think you do a great disservice to both the military and the general morale of the resistance by using such a broad brush to smear the entire armed forces. They aren’t “100% behind” Trump, and your “giant death cult to end the world” comment is way over the top.

PPS- you might want to go furniture shopping for a new chair, as the one you’ve got seems to be clouding your perceptions.

PPPS- Breathe. We’re each going to need all the stamina we can muster to get through this.

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"The first domino to fall is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization itself" kentuck Jan 12 #1
Not just Putin but blue-wave Jan 12 #20
For the love of God . . . Scubamatt Jan 12 #58
there are but they have proven themselves to be cowards. nt Javaman Jan 13 #74
There are few. if any of those old Republicans alive today. The Nazi salute is the norm with this batch. peacebuzzard Jan 13 #80
I fully expect china to invade Taiwan at that point. Javaman Jan 13 #73
I've been screaming from the rooftops... GiqueCee Jan 12 #66
Good analysis. Horrifying that this is who we are now. Every once in a while, the magnitude of that Scrivener7 Jan 12 #2
All true, and why I said yesterday Trump would be impeached and removed- by Republicans Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #3
It's nice to imagine that angrychair Jan 12 #13
That is clearly inaccurate Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #15
You have a lot more faith angrychair Jan 12 #22
sadly, agreed Cosmocat Jan 12 #30
if this comes to fruition, I see various states calling up their national guard against ICE Javaman Jan 13 #75
I take no joy in agreeing this is the likely way it will play out Cosmocat Jan 12 #29
What is the mechanism? dpibel Jan 12 #17
The mechanisms are in the constitution Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #23
Yes. I gave a quick summary of the 25th dpibel Jan 12 #27
I just reread all my comments in this thread, and I don't find the word "immediately" anywhere Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #38
I guess you missed my edit dpibel Jan 12 #41
You should contact the major book publishers Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #48
LOL dpibel Jan 12 #49
I guess I should be flattered with all your attention Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #50
It's funny when nitpicker becomes nitpickee Qutzupalotl Jan 12 #59
Think the JFK mechanism Joinfortmill Jan 12 #54
Doubtful Cosmocat Jan 12 #25
Somewhere Lindsey Graham just *eed in his pants.... Jack Valentino Jan 12 #64
We know what would happen to Piggy Jr' Coldwater Jan 12 #4
It sickens me to my core to know that piece of shit believes he will one day be President... Moostache Jan 12 #34
Heck, we've ALREADY had way more of that family than we could ever have wanted. calimary Jan 13 #67
Fact of life Timewas Jan 12 #5
None of this is going to happen. Glaisne Jan 12 #6
It's not my analysis. I know the US has a long-standing treaty regarding the military base Ocelot II Jan 12 #7
It's the worst case scenario, so it is a useful warning thought crime Jan 12 #31
The U.S. has ONE base only. Breaking the NATO treaty will be an unlawful order to the U.S. Military. The NATO Treaty is ancianita Jan 12 #8
i hadn't thought about it this way MadameButterfly Jan 12 #33
But the US military has. ancianita Jan 12 #40
Tim Kaine was similarly confident MadameButterfly Jan 12 #45
Cool. What Congress thinks or votes on adds validation for a decision that is the U.S. Military's alone; ancianita Jan 12 #46
As Trump has shown in just the past week, treaties can be torn up or ignored. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #16
We cannot afford this. bluescribbler Jan 12 #9
The people of Greenland&Canada should launch a class-action lawsuit against the US for tRumps terror campaign against us Fords Crackpipe Jan 12 #10
And Vladimir Putin will have gotten everything he wants, and he won't even have had to leave the building. Aristus Jan 12 #11
Every so often, I think of Susan Sarandon Ruby the Liberal Jan 12 #65
she is and will always be a fucking halfwit. nt Javaman Jan 13 #76
A very clear, concise, and I believe correct accessment. Thank you Ocelot II flashman13 Jan 12 #12
See the first word? It's IF. That makes the piece a total hypothetical. Not an analysis. The fact that it's on a social ancianita Jan 12 #44
Don't be trying to school me. I suppose you think the world will thank us for for attacking an ally. flashman13 Jan 12 #60
Pfffft school you? about a hypothetical not being logical? Believe what you want. ancianita Jan 12 #62
I'm not predicting anything; don't give me credit or blame for this piece. Ocelot II Jan 13 #71
Yep, that's Putin's plan that Trump is carrying out. Break up NATO and destroy the US economy from within. Fozzledick Jan 12 #14
We should not be taking any of this lightly angrychair Jan 12 #18
As someone said on another forum. . . Stargleamer Jan 12 #19
I have always thought something drastic would have to happen to make people wake up. Katinfl Jan 12 #21
Obviously this is a worst-case scenario, and all things that COULD be done by the EU and other NATO members. Ol Janx Spirit Jan 12 #24
Good points about Europe's response but MadameButterfly Jan 12 #43
Well, just like the "hold my beer" guy...he's thinking something.... Ol Janx Spirit Jan 12 #52
I don't think anything will disavow him because of his mental illness MadameButterfly Jan 12 #57
This is all well and good to explain to a thinking man usedtobedemgurl Jan 12 #26
I don't know Cosmocat Jan 12 #28
Static analysis. bucolic_frolic Jan 12 #32
I will finish your essay: ret5hd Jan 12 #35
Yep, mission accomplished. This is the real goal, not Greenland. Irish_Dem Jan 12 #37
The other thing that could happen is that there is little or no reaction. Irish_Dem Jan 12 #36
My crystal ball is foggy. BarbD Jan 12 #39
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Jan 12 #42
Britian has just said in one of this a.m.'s bulletins on DU that they would put troops in Greenland now. If true, SWBTATTReg Jan 12 #47
This sums it up CousinIT Jan 12 #51
I don't think NATO dissolves, just the US's part in it. Javaman Jan 13 #77
This explains a lot: "Ending the American Dream by 2029?" CousinIT Jan 13 #78
thanks, I'll check it out. I read Toms Dispatch from time to time. :) nt Javaman Jan 13 #79
The Russians own Trump. Joinfortmill Jan 12 #53
I would like to see NATO Members OhioTim Jan 12 #55
Is anyone telling this to Stephen Miller and tRump? joanbarnes Jan 12 #56
Sounds to me like Corporate America better get their shit together and reign in their puppet.nt Trueblue Texan Jan 12 #61
Chilling that the donor class hasn't gotten their shit together to stop him Ruby the Liberal Jan 12 #63
Yeah, we'd become Figarosmom Jan 13 #68
"Oh--everything I touch gets ruined." That's trump's life. C Moon Jan 13 #69
The epitome of..... MarcoZandrini Jan 13 #70
not to mention all the private companies that do business in Europe Javaman Jan 13 #72
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