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karynnj

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25. Neither Hillary or Kamala won.

Wed Jan 21, 2026, 11:40 AM

Jan 21

You can argue that Russia used Facebook and other social media to target misinformation to voters in swing states, but in terms of votes cast, Trump won swing states with Democrats in charge.

For Kamala, she lost Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Arizona all with Democrats controlling the state government.

We should NOT be like Republicans claiming we won when we didn't. Not to mention, we still need to understand why he won in spite of a very nasty campaign and 34 felony convictions! It seems that in all elections since 2016, there has been enough unhappiness that being the party in power is a negative.

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The FT is reporting that Howard Lutnick was heckled in Davos last night by Al Gore among others [View all] BeyondGeography Jan 21 OP

Mr. Green Party Nader helped lead the path to where we are today. lostincalifornia Jan 21 #1

Gore won Florida. rubbersole Jan 21 #7

Gore won just like Hillary won and Kamala won Clouds Passing Jan 21 #14

Neither Hillary or Kamala won. karynnj Jan 21 #25

Show us where hand counted recounts proved that Hillary and Kamala lost... Chemical Bill Jan 21 #34

Are you saying the Democratic officials in those states cheated for Trump? karynnj Jan 21 #35

No. Chemical Bill Jan 21 #36

Except in 2000... DemocracyForever Jan 24 #42

And Nader helped the thug Republicans JI7 Jan 21 #16

And this was all engineered by Tom Delay. ananda Jan 21 #24

The fix was in DemocracyForever Jan 24 #43

It's the ugly truth the media won't tell even 25 years later! DemocracyForever Jan 24 #40

Exactly, well said! DemocracyForever Jan 24 #41

This is why they try to keep Lutnick off of TV Renew Deal Jan 21 #2

If this is a gift article, why do I have to subscribe? niyad Jan 21 #3

I think it expires after a few uses BeyondGeography Jan 21 #5

Okay, thank you. niyad Jan 21 #6

They've added a couple of updates BeyondGeography Jan 21 #13

For educational use IbogaProject Jan 21 #19

The gift is what you give FT, apparently. 😆😉 littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #20

COAL!?!?? Hugin Jan 21 #4

Brilliant strategy. China is kicking our ass economically Bluetus Jan 21 #17

But it does make some sense if you think about it. calimary Jan 21 #27

With very few exceptions, everyone in this administration has a simple philosophy Bluetus Jan 21 #28

Your last sentence sums it all up, Bluetus. calimary Jan 21 #30

Coal is more expensive and than renewables DemocracyForever Jan 24 #44

Coal, tariffs and ballrooms bronxiteforever Jan 21 #8

I've been considering affecting a walking stick. Hugin Jan 21 #9

The entire World outside of MAGA and Russia hates Trump. And more will switch over. ChicagoTeamster Jan 21 #10

What an idiot! PatSeg Jan 21 #11

Well.... SergeStorms Jan 21 #21

That is true PatSeg Jan 21 #33

I know more about coal than most people. The county I grew up in once had more active coal companies than twodogsbarking Jan 21 #12

What did Al Gore say? Clouds Passing Jan 21 #15

He booed Lutnick's remarks DemocracyForever Jan 24 #45

Lutnick was a total ass at the panel discussion pfitz59 Jan 21 #18

He may have just thrown darts at a list on the wall. littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #23

Wasn't Lutnick a next-door neighbor of Jeffery Epstein? Small world, isn't it? Midnight Writer Jan 21 #31

Properties littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #32

Go Al!!! littlemissmartypants Jan 21 #22

Howard Nutlick needs all the heckling he can get. Ocelot II Jan 21 #26

Sadly, I don't think people as crazy as Nutlick will ever get how crazy they sound. Initech Jan 22 #39

Nutlick has mining interests in Greenland Blues Heron Jan 21 #29

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Lutnick is an ass vapor2 Jan 22 #38