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46. how is this fellow the 'Democratic cause? '
Wed Jan 21, 2026, 12:49 PM
Jan 21

...I didn't vote for him.

And, btw, I support EVERY Democratic nominee like my own kin, but people have a lot of nerve expecting fealty to one potential candidate right now in what should be an expansive field of hopefuls in that future election.

Trump's belittling the European leaders like he doesn't live in a glass house, and here comes the Democratic governor of California acting as if he doesn't live here too.

Do you really think the Europeans really care that a Democratic governor is scolding them about their inability to control Trump, any more than Newsom's 'tall and strong' stuff has controlled him so far?

The Europeans can't remove him from office, and they should be loath to do anything that hurts their own interests now that the U.S. has all but abandoned any pretense of cooperation or care for European concerns and is insisting that the world revolve around America.

This paternalism that pretends that the U.S. doesn't need Europe more than they need us is dangerous revisionism. It's the U.S. who is isolating itself away from being able to advance our own interests; the Trump regime now reduced to bullying them, as they're too arrogant to treat them as allies instead of obstacles and do the actual work of diplomacy.

What I can't understand is why the governor thought it was a good idea to come out of what he said were private discussions and betray those confidences, instead of just contiuning to press them behind the scenes to do whatever he wanted.

Is this an example of his foreign policy approach - talking down to and treating foreign allies like he's their boss? I mean, he was at a diplomatic conference complaining about diplomacy being practiced by people who have more experience with autocratic regimes than a Ca. governor.

He's sitting on a workable Democratic majority in his state, making all of his excellent actions in that state behind a Democratic legislature, and his behaving as if everyone else has that political advantage.

It's the same with the attacks on Democrats here at home who have none of the advantages of a majority to do what Democrats naturally, reliably, and successfully do when they hold the most seats in the legislature.

It's just sophistry, really, with such a simple portrayal of the challenges to Europe, coupled with zero regard expressed for their OWN prerogatives. Hell, he didn't even bother to mention the pushback that we saw from several of the European leaders, and really demagogued their efforts to resist Trump, knowing little to nothing about the state of their respective nations' political affairs from his confortable seat in Cali.

European leaders aren't Trump, and they certainly aren't Trump supporters. They don't deserve to be talked down to by Americans who have foisted this cretin on the world with our own refusal to stand up to the bully. He walked all over California, even as the governor stood 'tall and strong.'

If he wants support for being the 'Democratic advantage' he needs to win the nomination for president. But in the interim, with so much at stake for me personally, I will not fail to speak my mind about what kind of leader I want to represent me, and no one should automatically assume that the Ca, governor speaks for me on everything that comes out of his mouth.

I do understand how challenging it is watching republicans bull their way through with their narrow majority; ignoring rules and laws as they consolidate their temporary power.

But the answer to all of that isn't to adopt the same autocratic attitude that assumes people can be cowed into doing what we want. The principles of coalition-building and cooperation still apply.

Newsom or any other politician is going to find it's like spitting in the wind trying to put things back in order by dictating down to the people they intend to lead. That machismo is a myth that assumes leaders do the heavy lifting, instead of the people they govern.

It's one thing to stand up to enemies, and yet another to generate the cooperation from allies that is essential to accomplishing more than just domination and control. It's not something new, it's a basic formula for dealing with our neighbors like friends and not just opportunities for us to advantage our own country.

One thing that has been distressing to me is the way that our politics has devolved into these false, zero-sum calculations that treat humans in the way of politics as abstract obstacles.

It's a recipe for chaos and anarchy, and makes is all ripe for domination by someone completely oblivious to what the people want, who thinks we should be fighting their personal battles instead of tending to our own needs.

I said above that the governor seems to be on a learning curve. I'd hope one of the first things he gets right is that he'll need to do more than merely communicate what he wants to the people he intends to lead, and that he learns to form coalitions of support behind his ideals and initiatives among people who aren't in his immediate orbit and influence.

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Yeah he needs to be more weak and ineffectual like Merrick Garland. BannonsLiver Jan 20 #1
Yup, par for the course LR3 Jan 20 #3
Um, no Dave says Jan 21 #50
You are absolutely right. sheshe2 Jan 20 #2
Appeasement didn't work out too well for Europe in the 1930's newdeal2 Jan 20 #4
I was disturbed when I heard him earlier today. brer cat Jan 20 #5
He didn't "blow up" MorbidButterflyTat Jan 20 #6
So he didn't say... TheProle Jan 20 #12
Newsom is right Skittles Jan 20 #15
That wasn't my question to the previous poster, but noted. TheProle Jan 20 #16
He was addressing the press. MorbidButterflyTat Jan 22 #94
Not arguing anymore TheProle Jan 23 #102
Mark Carney appears to be the only leader who truly gets it peggysue2 Jan 22 #68
Right on time. Kingofalldems Jan 20 #33
What do you mean? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 22 #93
+ 1. If I were casting a remake of The Darkest Hour starring DUers I know who would be playing Lord Halifax. BannonsLiver Jan 20 #13
Thanks for the video IcyPeas Jan 20 #20
You're welcome, and I agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Jan 22 #95
i'm a considered writer, not a kneejerk poster, and I always make the effort to be clear bigtree Jan 20 #23
European parliaments have frank discussion, at cachukis Jan 20 #28
Nothing personal MorbidButterflyTat Jan 22 #96
He did not creon Jan 21 #53
If he is planning to Greg_In_SF Jan 20 #7
Right....because the other party is Bettie Jan 22 #72
You're right Greg_In_SF Jan 22 #85
There is nothing remotely MAGAt about Gavin Newsom MorbidButterflyTat Jan 22 #97
Post removed Post removed Jan 23 #100
Quite the ironic assertions Torchlight Jan 23 #101
Non-ugly American Starbeach Jan 20 #8
not even wrong creon Jan 20 #9
THANK YOU Skittles Jan 20 #18
We are always in transition. Trump has spoiled the cachukis Jan 20 #10
Agree IcyPeas Jan 20 #22
DURec leftstreet Jan 20 #11
Sorry he's absolutely right fujiyamasan Jan 20 #14
I would say he is right. It's a fucking embarassment from all corners. Not excusing any US politician. boston bean Jan 20 #17
Totally agree with you. nt Raine Jan 20 #19
Newsom is right. And Europe consistently looks weak. Renew Deal Jan 20 #21
Europe looks weak because they're dealing with internal issues haele Jan 20 #30
What do you mean by TimeToGo Jan 20 #35
Sorry, typing on my phone, will correct the stupid haele Jan 20 #36
😎 We've all been there TimeToGo Jan 20 #40
I couldn't agree more Fiendish Thingy Jan 20 #24
He's right though. GoodRaisin Jan 20 #25
Maybe. I think that they get it. themaguffin Jan 20 #26
I'm on Newsom's side here. The entire world needs to be more vocal in their stances against Trump. LonePirate Jan 20 #27
Hell no. TIME TO KICK SOME ASS. Irish_Dem Jan 20 #29
"Nice guys finish last." Leo Durocher anciano Jan 20 #31
..in bed. Qutzupalotl Jan 21 #58
I voted for him for governor but I'd rather have someone else as President kimbutgar Jan 20 #32
I support Newsom's remarks and attitude 100%.. Escape Jan 20 #34
Wondering what European leaders think of America voters. Emile Jan 20 #37
I find nothing wrong with what he said. nt Chalco Jan 20 #38
Newsom is right about the complicity of the world's superrich. He's doing his part. I don't see any other Democratic ancianita Jan 20 #39
how is this fellow the 'Democratic cause? ' bigtree Jan 21 #46
Thanks for your usual thoughtful post. Much appreciated. I want to point out that he is frustrated, because ancianita Jan 21 #48
Nothing worse than mealy mouthed apologists & critics of courage NotHardly Jan 20 #41
Not a good look for Newsom. OGBuzz Jan 20 #42
Hmmm GusBob Jan 21 #43
Would giving specifics be viewed as treason? n/t BadgerKid Jan 21 #44
Meh, when you lead an economy as large as California's, you get to say certain things JonAndKatePlusABird Jan 21 #45
I doubt they cared at this point beyond bemusement bigtree Jan 21 #47
Sorry, I'm sick and tired of meek capitulation. Arthur_Frain Jan 21 #49
Well, The High Road markodochartaigh Jan 21 #51
our votes for Obama kept the Democrats in control of the WH for EIGHT YEARS bigtree Jan 22 #62
Yes--I felt it was a bit over the top with the "knee pads" and "pathetic" being thrown around crimycarny Jan 21 #52
Newsom was right on substance but still made a strategic error. tritsofme Jan 21 #54
I like the fire Sugarcoated Jan 21 #55
No one whose judgment included marrying Kimberley Guilfoyle DJ Synikus Makisimus Jan 21 #56
I disagree with some points, agree with others, and just plain don't markodochartaigh Jan 21 #57
I think this is a load of CRAP, to criticize one of the few Democratic Party leaders Jack Valentino Jan 22 #59
so bigtree Jan 22 #60
'...and like all macho displays in response to political challenges, the OP's response contained more heat than light' Jack Valentino Jan 22 #89
it would be a different discussion if it centered on what I wrote in the op bigtree Jan 22 #92
Thank you, amigo.... My main fault on this forum has to be Jack Valentino Jan 22 #98
I stand with Gavin Blues Heron Jan 22 #61
👍 👏 💯 🗣🔊 ColoringFool Jan 22 #63
why is he attacking the Europeans? bigtree Jan 22 #65
Did you read what he said? It's a wake up call. Blues Heron Jan 22 #66
did I read it? bigtree Jan 22 #67
Your overreacting , this is 2026- there is a new, less uptight electorate out there, the fuddy duddy era is over Blues Heron Jan 22 #70
you're bigtree Jan 22 #71
This thread sure went south on you pretty quickly. BannonsLiver Jan 22 #73
I think Newsome was absolutely right. That is the problem with almost all politicians and so called leaders, Autumn Jan 22 #64
We need more Gavin Newsoms and less tone police Renew Deal Jan 22 #69
Hmmm, disinvesting in the US FHRRK Jan 22 #74
no, what you wrote is specious bigtree Jan 22 #75
Let me give some general advice FHRRK Jan 22 #81
it's already assumed in this format that respondants are positing their own opinions bigtree Jan 22 #82
Again, IMO, people are looking for fighters FHRRK Jan 22 #83
do you know what specious means? superficially plausible, but actually wrong bigtree Jan 22 #84
For the love of all things holy FHRRK Jan 22 #86
let me put it more plainly bigtree Jan 22 #87
"I lied..." FHRRK Jan 22 #88
did you tell the truth? bigtree Jan 22 #90
Whew! FHRRK Jan 22 #91
Bullshit. Newsom was brilliant. He's positioned himself as the anti-trump. Euro leaders want that. Sibelius Fan Jan 22 #76
he also positioned himself as anti-European leader bigtree Jan 22 #79
at least he's trying - which is a lot more than so many other leaders samsingh Jan 22 #77
but that's not the issue I'm raising here bigtree Jan 22 #78
Newsom really fucked over the elderly and disabled CountAllVotes Jan 22 #80
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 22 #99
K&R LetMyPeopleVote Jan 23 #103
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