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WhiskeyGrinder

(26,864 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 10:02 AM Yesterday

They Didn't Want to Have C-Sections. A Judge Would Decide How They Gave Birth. [View all]

https://www.propublica.org/article/florida-court-ordered-c-sections

On the afternoon of Sept. 9, 2024, Cherise Doyley was in her 12th hour of contractions at University of Florida Health in downtown Jacksonville when a nurse came in with a bedsheet and told her to cover up. A supervisor brought a tablet to Doyley’s bedside. Gathered on the screen were a judge in a black robe and several lawyers, doctors and hospital staff.

“It’s a real judge in there?” Doyley asked the nurse at the beginning of what would be a three-hour hearing. “Now this is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.”

Doyley hadn’t asked for the hearing. The hospital had sought it. Doyley had mere minutes to prepare. She had no lawyer and no advocate — no one to explain to her what, exactly, was going on.

Judge Michael Kalil informed her that the state had filed an emergency petition at the hospital’s behest — not out of concern for Doyley, per se, but in the interest of her unborn child. He described the circumstances as “extraordinary.”

The hospital and state attorney’s office wanted to force Doyley to undergo a cesarean section. Doyley, a professional birthing doula, didn’t want that and had been firm about it. She’d had three prior C-sections, one that resulted in a hemorrhage, and hoped to avoid another serious complication and lengthy recovery. She was aware that doctors were concerned about the risk of uterine rupture, a potentially deadly complication for her and her baby. She would say during the hearing that she understood the risk to be less than 2% and didn’t want to agree to a C-section unless there was an emergency.

But the choice would not be hers. The judge would decide how she would give birth.

Mentally competent patients typically have the right to choose their medical care — or refuse it. But there is one notable exception: pregnant patients.
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a 3 hr hearing when she is in ACTIVE LABOR??!!!! mopinko Yesterday #1
Wow. That is appalling. The child is more important than the woman, no matter what. Biophilic Yesterday #2
Extreme situation. But perhaps it was the safest option for woman and child. paleotn Yesterday #4
What's extreme about this situation is forcing someone who's in active labor into a court hearing to establish legally WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #5
What about dying makes it unacceptable? paleotn Yesterday #6
People make medical decisions that result in their own deaths all the time. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #7
And that's perfectly fine with me. paleotn Yesterday #37
You're reccing your own posts? Crunchy Frog 14 hrs ago #67
So what. I didn't rec if 4 TIMES paleotn 8 hrs ago #76
Exhibit A: all those Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions for themselves OR their children. ShazzieB Yesterday #39
The pregnant woman's profession was assisting women to deliver safely....got it? Hope22 Yesterday #9
Exactly what part of viable, at term, and in fetal distress do you not fucking understand? paleotn Yesterday #38
Your last sentence... GenThePerservering Yesterday #42
Tell that to the person who I responded to, not me. paleotn Yesterday #43
The hearing was three hours long. Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #46
She was in labor for 12 freaking hours!!!!!! paleotn 22 hrs ago #47
and? Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #48
And? An obstetrics team is going to go to all that trouble unless it's for a good reason? paleotn 21 hrs ago #57
No, I'm not an OB-GYN and neither are you. Quiet Em 19 hrs ago #59
SO WHAT!? paleotn 8 hrs ago #75
You seem to believe you know a lot Quiet Em 8 hrs ago #77
And you know that how? paleotn 8 hrs ago #78
What crap has your partner seen many, many times? Quiet Em 8 hrs ago #79
Fine. You don't want trained, profession opinion, go treat yourself. paleotn 8 hrs ago #80
Why are you so hostile? Quiet Em 7 hrs ago #81
Ah, you're being omniscient again. paleotn 7 hrs ago #82
My son was born after 30 hrs. of labor. Whats your point? Lochloosa 22 hrs ago #50
Medical professionals didn't go to this extreme unless there was good reason. paleotn 21 hrs ago #56
12 hours of labor is NOT. VERY. LONG. Crunchy Frog 14 hrs ago #68
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The woman stated she had already had a life threatening complication from a C Section. Hope22 19 hrs ago #61
Yes, I'm willing to sacrifice the lives of some full term fetuses to protect women's rights to bodily autonomy. Crunchy Frog 15 hrs ago #66
It was the woman's profession, but in her own case she was not making the safest decision karynnj 23 hrs ago #44
3 prior c-sections Freddie 21 hrs ago #53
Completely agree karynnj 21 hrs ago #54
My first was a C-section buzzycrumbhunger 21 hrs ago #58
If ONLY the decision was based on the health and welfare of the mother... the existing slightlv 23 hrs ago #45
The patient in question is a doula. usedtobedemgurl 22 hrs ago #49
Because she's a doula doesn't mean she is a good doula. ToxMarz 22 hrs ago #51
Sure. Of course a judge knows better. Ok. usedtobedemgurl 17 hrs ago #62
No, I am not saying that ToxMarz 8 hrs ago #74
Ok usedtobedemgurl 7 hrs ago #83
I worked in that field. When you're in the hospital, you don't have a choice. LeftInTX Yesterday #20
It's not as rare as people think, and it doesn't matter if someone thinks it's "safest". Crunchy Frog 15 hrs ago #65
only the fetus stage Kali Yesterday #8
Yup, the kid is on his or her own. Biophilic Yesterday #19
It seems to me... GiqueCee Yesterday #34
... Solly Mack Yesterday #3
Whose body is it? dlk Yesterday #10
In states like Florida, the state has control over a woman's body erronis Yesterday #11
It's not just Florida. In almost 30 states, hospitals can override the advance directives of pregnant people. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #14
Darwin's body. paleotn Yesterday #36
Jeezus. If men gave birth, this would not be a thing. Joinfortmill Yesterday #12
Eh, men do give birth and it still is a thing, but likely because of the discrimination trans men face. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #13
I've had four c-sections Mossfern Yesterday #15
I'm so glad you and your babies survived these! erronis Yesterday #17
Thank you for this thoughtful post. LisaM Yesterday #21
I think the trauma Mossfern Yesterday #24
I was a nurse in newborn. LeftInTX Yesterday #23
I was surprised to learn episiotomies aren't recommended anymore Sympthsical Yesterday #33
I had three kids: LeftInTX Yesterday #35
Interesting. Thank you for sharing! Sympthsical 21 hrs ago #55
I have also had four c-sections. Bettie 8 hrs ago #72
Beyond appalling. Mother first, unless both can be saved & the mother's wishes unclear (& she is hlthe2b Yesterday #16
I was going to share this. Thank you so much for doing it! ... littlemissmartypants Yesterday #18
Hands off women's wombs. perverts! GreenWave Yesterday #22
Women of reproductive age need to get the hell out of Florida. This is absurd. Quiet Em Yesterday #25
I see no reason for a judge to be called into this. Ilsa Yesterday #26
If it's an emergency C-Sect, fetal distress, certain maternal conditions, unknown fetal conditions etc. LeftInTX Yesterday #28
Oh, I know, I've been there. I was relieved when Ilsa Yesterday #29
This message was self-deleted by its author MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #31
That sounds terrifying MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #32
I lived in a county that for a time had the highest Ilsa Yesterday #27
Wondering... MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #30
I read the ProPublica article cksmithy Yesterday #40
Glad I posted this thread. It's good to get a reminder about just how easily so many people are willing to sign away WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #41
3 prior c-sections are a HUGE risk. But, AllyCat 21 hrs ago #52
This story really bothered me so I did some more research Quiet Em 19 hrs ago #60
This is like Rosemary's baby! C Moon 15 hrs ago #63
This is absolutely disgusting. Under no circumstances should women ever be robbed of the right to Crunchy Frog 15 hrs ago #64
Interesting to see how much anti-choice sentiment there really is here on DU. Article and the responses Crunchy Frog 14 hrs ago #69
Agree. WhiskeyGrinder 9 hrs ago #71
OMG 😳 this is insane. The hospital was so wrong in this. If it was me I would be so furious what they did TommieMommy 9 hrs ago #70
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