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Showing Original Post only (View all)They Didn't Want to Have C-Sections. A Judge Would Decide How They Gave Birth. [View all]
https://www.propublica.org/article/florida-court-ordered-c-sectionsOn the afternoon of Sept. 9, 2024, Cherise Doyley was in her 12th hour of contractions at University of Florida Health in downtown Jacksonville when a nurse came in with a bedsheet and told her to cover up. A supervisor brought a tablet to Doyleys bedside. Gathered on the screen were a judge in a black robe and several lawyers, doctors and hospital staff.
Its a real judge in there? Doyley asked the nurse at the beginning of what would be a three-hour hearing. Now this is the craziest thing Ive ever seen.
Doyley hadnt asked for the hearing. The hospital had sought it. Doyley had mere minutes to prepare. She had no lawyer and no advocate no one to explain to her what, exactly, was going on.
Judge Michael Kalil informed her that the state had filed an emergency petition at the hospitals behest not out of concern for Doyley, per se, but in the interest of her unborn child. He described the circumstances as extraordinary.
The hospital and state attorneys office wanted to force Doyley to undergo a cesarean section. Doyley, a professional birthing doula, didnt want that and had been firm about it. Shed had three prior C-sections, one that resulted in a hemorrhage, and hoped to avoid another serious complication and lengthy recovery. She was aware that doctors were concerned about the risk of uterine rupture, a potentially deadly complication for her and her baby. She would say during the hearing that she understood the risk to be less than 2% and didnt want to agree to a C-section unless there was an emergency.
But the choice would not be hers. The judge would decide how she would give birth.
Mentally competent patients typically have the right to choose their medical care or refuse it. But there is one notable exception: pregnant patients.
Its a real judge in there? Doyley asked the nurse at the beginning of what would be a three-hour hearing. Now this is the craziest thing Ive ever seen.
Doyley hadnt asked for the hearing. The hospital had sought it. Doyley had mere minutes to prepare. She had no lawyer and no advocate no one to explain to her what, exactly, was going on.
Judge Michael Kalil informed her that the state had filed an emergency petition at the hospitals behest not out of concern for Doyley, per se, but in the interest of her unborn child. He described the circumstances as extraordinary.
The hospital and state attorneys office wanted to force Doyley to undergo a cesarean section. Doyley, a professional birthing doula, didnt want that and had been firm about it. Shed had three prior C-sections, one that resulted in a hemorrhage, and hoped to avoid another serious complication and lengthy recovery. She was aware that doctors were concerned about the risk of uterine rupture, a potentially deadly complication for her and her baby. She would say during the hearing that she understood the risk to be less than 2% and didnt want to agree to a C-section unless there was an emergency.
But the choice would not be hers. The judge would decide how she would give birth.
Mentally competent patients typically have the right to choose their medical care or refuse it. But there is one notable exception: pregnant patients.
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They Didn't Want to Have C-Sections. A Judge Would Decide How They Gave Birth. [View all]
WhiskeyGrinder
Yesterday
OP
Wow. That is appalling. The child is more important than the woman, no matter what.
Biophilic
Yesterday
#2
What's extreme about this situation is forcing someone who's in active labor into a court hearing to establish legally
WhiskeyGrinder
Yesterday
#5
People make medical decisions that result in their own deaths all the time.
WhiskeyGrinder
Yesterday
#7
Exhibit A: all those Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions for themselves OR their children.
ShazzieB
Yesterday
#39
The pregnant woman's profession was assisting women to deliver safely....got it?
Hope22
Yesterday
#9
Exactly what part of viable, at term, and in fetal distress do you not fucking understand?
paleotn
Yesterday
#38
And? An obstetrics team is going to go to all that trouble unless it's for a good reason?
paleotn
21 hrs ago
#57
Medical professionals didn't go to this extreme unless there was good reason.
paleotn
21 hrs ago
#56
The woman stated she had already had a life threatening complication from a C Section.
Hope22
19 hrs ago
#61
Yes, I'm willing to sacrifice the lives of some full term fetuses to protect women's rights to bodily autonomy.
Crunchy Frog
15 hrs ago
#66
It was the woman's profession, but in her own case she was not making the safest decision
karynnj
23 hrs ago
#44
If ONLY the decision was based on the health and welfare of the mother... the existing
slightlv
23 hrs ago
#45
I worked in that field. When you're in the hospital, you don't have a choice.
LeftInTX
Yesterday
#20
It's not as rare as people think, and it doesn't matter if someone thinks it's "safest".
Crunchy Frog
15 hrs ago
#65
It's not just Florida. In almost 30 states, hospitals can override the advance directives of pregnant people.
WhiskeyGrinder
Yesterday
#14
Eh, men do give birth and it still is a thing, but likely because of the discrimination trans men face.
WhiskeyGrinder
Yesterday
#13
Beyond appalling. Mother first, unless both can be saved & the mother's wishes unclear (& she is
hlthe2b
Yesterday
#16
Women of reproductive age need to get the hell out of Florida. This is absurd.
Quiet Em
Yesterday
#25
If it's an emergency C-Sect, fetal distress, certain maternal conditions, unknown fetal conditions etc.
LeftInTX
Yesterday
#28
Glad I posted this thread. It's good to get a reminder about just how easily so many people are willing to sign away
WhiskeyGrinder
Yesterday
#41
This is absolutely disgusting. Under no circumstances should women ever be robbed of the right to
Crunchy Frog
15 hrs ago
#64
Interesting to see how much anti-choice sentiment there really is here on DU. Article and the responses
Crunchy Frog
14 hrs ago
#69