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AverageOldGuy

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Fri Apr 3, 2026, 03:13 PM Apr 3

About the F-15 downed over Iran [View all]

The missing aircrew member.

It now appears that the US aircraft downed over Iran was an F-15 with a crew of two. One was reportedly rescued and a search and rescue (SAR) operation is going on for the other one.

Let’s talk about what happens to the aircrew of a high-performance aircraft like the F-15 when things turn to shit.

THEY DIE. If the aircraft is (1) hit with any kind of fire – missile, shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile, machine gun fire, a lucky shot from and AK-47 on the ground; or, (2) something breaks inside the aircraft, either way, it’s all over. Pieces of flesh and body parts may be recovered if the whole thing doesn’t burn to a crisp.

THEY EJECT. The movies make this look exciting and romantic. It’s not. The F-15 typically cruises at 570–650 mph, may slow to around 200 mph to identify a target.

Each crewmember sits in a specially-made-to-fit ejection seat with a rocket on the bottom and a parachute in the top. The guy in the front seat drives the airplane and fires the weapons; the back seater can fly the thing as well as fire the weapons but his main job is to manage the electronics – detect and jam radar, identify targets, and the like.

The canopy is in two pieces because they two crewmembers eject separately – the guy in the back punches out first, then the front seater after a 2 second (?) delay – this prevents them from killing each other by colliding in their ejection seats. There have been incidents where the back seater pulled his ejection handle, it did not work, the front seater went out first, the back seater rode it in. Also vice versa.

To eject: Hunker down in a tight bundle, arms and legs tight to the seat; reach up, pull down an ejection curtain that’s built into the back seat and should protect you from the worst of the blast of air when you pop out; pull the ejection handle between your legs; the rocket in your seat explodes and fires you out of the bird with the speed of a bullet. After a short delay, the chute opens.

A lot of things can happen.

Flail injuries – exactly what they say. Try this – get in a car, someone else driving, get up to 75 mph, roll down the window, stick your head and one arm out into the wind stream. Now, imagine doing that at 300 MPH – arms and legs can be ripped up, flail around, break, pop out of socket.

Chute failure – you can guess what this causes.

THEY MAY SURVIVE EJECTION.

Landing after ejecting is not like the Army’s Golden Knights parachute team landing softly on a football field. This is a guy, scared shitless, possibly injured, maybe not even conscious. The seat is designed for the occupant to land in it safely. That’s what it’s designed for. Real life does not always follow the design.

So now you are on the ground.

Where the fuck am I? Why does my right leg not work? Are those guys running toward me with pitchforks friendly or not?

The seat has in it a BEEPER – a radio transmitter, operating on a fixed emergency frequency, sending out an audible beep-beep-beep. Rescue aircraft can home in on it . . . until the battery runs out.

The guy on the ground has an emergency radio, a beeper that he activates, a few flares, and a pistol.

SAR crews are listening for beepers as well as calling the missing guy’s call sign on the emergency frequency.

Remember the EC-3 electornic control aircraft that the Iranians – with Russian targeting assistance – destroyed on the ground in Saudi Arabia last week? There should be an EC-3 in the air that can pinpoint where the F-15 got into trouble and where it disappeared from radar. That’s probably why one crewmember was rescued.

I’m an optimist but I’m not holding out a lot of hope for the missing guy. Best we can hope for is he will be captured. Unlike Hegseth, I suspect the Iranians will treat him much better than we are treating them.

This is NOT a goddam video game. People get killed doing this shit and when it's over they do not get up, dust themselves off, and get back into the game.

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About the F-15 downed over Iran [View all] AverageOldGuy Apr 3 OP
This war is only real for the military involved and those that really care about Whyisthisstillclose Apr 3 #1
... sporting event,... magicarpet Apr 3 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author graycampervan Apr 3 #60
Good info. As I understand it, getting one or both legs broken during the ejection is not uncommon at all underpants Apr 3 #2
Spinal compression. Arthur_Frain Apr 3 #8
I would think so yeah. I know a certain number a parachute jumps underpants Apr 3 #12
Back when I was in they were limited to 3 ejections... Wounded Bear Apr 3 #14
It actually has changed InstantGratification Apr 3 #59
You get grounded for losing 2 aircraft... druidity33 Apr 3 #52
Great post fujiyamasan Apr 3 #3
From the vision of the fighter pilot,.. magicarpet Apr 3 #4
There were several planes shot down by friendly fire at the very beginning of this war Fiendish Thingy Apr 3 #6
His post is accurate. Ejecting is a very violent process, and injuries due to ejection are common...nt Wounded Bear Apr 3 #15
I object to this statement: Fiendish Thingy Apr 3 #27
He clearly said, they die or eject, or at least it was clear to me questionseverything Apr 3 #30
Seems like a pattern. Brenda Apr 3 #32
He was a bit unclear. He was offering scenarios... Wounded Bear Apr 3 #35
Why do you do this? You could have easily contacted the OP privately or at the least been polite. Joinfortmill Apr 3 #41
I didn't intend to be rude Fiendish Thingy Apr 3 #51
That was the first of two outcomes explained. Pacifist Patriot Apr 4 #69
Let's get real here. The difference between dying instantly or walking away is pure luck. flashman13 Apr 3 #43
Define safety. littlemissmartypants Apr 3 #18
There is a video shot in Kuwait of a pilot standing calmly immediately after landing Fiendish Thingy Apr 3 #22
Define safely. littlemissmartypants Apr 3 #23
And by the way, I can think of at least one person... littlemissmartypants Apr 3 #25
Thank you for this info! nt City Lights Apr 3 #7
While one would expect capturing and keeping alive to be the rational move for Iran's leadership RockRaven Apr 3 #9
And some Iranians have had non-combatant loved ones killed, .... 70sEraVet Apr 4 #68
I very much appreciate your non-video game description. democrank Apr 3 #10
My brother flew both f15 and f16 in the first Iraq war Lifeafter70 Apr 3 #11
Your post reminds me of the YouTube video PCIntern Apr 3 #13
I have a friend who has actually ejected from an F-15. He said once is enough Callie1979 Apr 3 #16
Thank you. niyad Apr 3 #17
A uh-60 Blackhawk was also apparently hit. James48 Apr 3 #19
The pilots are war criminals at this point Eddie Haskell 60 Apr 3 #20
That's nonsense ornotna Apr 3 #29
Pilots know the destruction they wield Eddie Haskell 60 Apr 3 #31
When's the last time a US war was "declared"? EX500rider Apr 3 #38
that's all true Eddie Haskell 60 Apr 3 #39
Many war crimes are committed in all wars, declared or not EX500rider Apr 3 #40
yep Eddie Haskell 60 Apr 3 #42
Quite the unsuprorted assertion Torchlight Apr 3 #54
Horseshit. 11 Bravo Apr 3 #57
I know truth is uncomfortable Eddie Haskell 60 Apr 4 #74
Loss of life is horrible. Loss of a highly trained, experienced specialist pilot is even worse. littlemissmartypants Apr 3 #21
All I know is Trump has created a mess newdeal2 Apr 3 #24
That's all you or any of us need to know. calimary Apr 4 #65
Thank you! nt wiggs Apr 3 #26
Thanks For The Info Coolgoober Apr 3 #28
I have seen stories that the second guy is alive and back in Iraq now relayerbob Apr 3 #33
Sheesh... I hope you're right. calimary Apr 4 #64
Thank you for that horrifying but detailed description, AOG. Buddyzbuddy Apr 3 #34
That ejection True Dough Apr 3 #36
There are really no words, people. Just read it. Joinfortmill Apr 3 #37
Rethuglicans are the worst enemy America has ever had. OMGWTF Apr 3 #44
I would urge those fujiyamasan Apr 3 #45
Interesting information but I stopped when his hand went through his glasses and into his face. I suspected AI. chowder66 Apr 3 #55
Good catch. AZ8theist Apr 4 #71
I thought maybe he's neurodivergent for a second. I checked below for the disclaimer chowder66 Apr 4 #73
Thanks, I'll admit I didn't watch the whole thing fujiyamasan Apr 4 #75
Mostly correct RoseTrellis Apr 3 #46
I would say BEFORE you can be even considered to hold the SECDEF position, you need to experience ALL the training level usaf-vet Apr 3 #47
I'd be happy with someone loyal to the constitution Mysterian Apr 3 #49
According to my brother the training doesn't end Lifeafter70 Apr 3 #56
Don't forget, experience being waterboarded. LudwigPastorius Apr 4 #62
Thanks for this, NotSoAverageOldGuy.. Permanut Apr 3 #48
Ditto, Permanut. ancianita Apr 4 #66
Trump and Hegseth are treating this like a Hollywood Movie 3825-87867 Apr 3 #50
God bless you for putting the truth out orangecrush Apr 3 #53
You do NOT 'land in the seat' RetiredParatrooper Apr 3 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Apr 3 #61
My heart is heavy Puppyjive Apr 4 #63
Iranian military personnel might treat a downed American pilot relatively well. cab67 Apr 4 #67
Great post. Life is precious. Let's not forget. twodogsbarking Apr 4 #70
It's upsetting that we haven't heard the condition of any of the other wounded or pilots Walleye Apr 4 #72
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