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PatrickforB

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39. Ah, the Civil Rights movement was in fact just, but that is not what 'just war' is referring to.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:38 PM
Apr 17

In the Just War theory, Christians are justified in going to war if the enemy has conducted an unprovoked attack. So, using that definition, we can look back on history and find very few 'just' wars.

Most of the time, when we speak of wars fought under the auspices of religion, it has been a bunch of people who are so very, very certain their religious dogma is correct and everyone else's is wrong that they are willing to kill those who disagree. Often in millions. Examples of that include the wars in Europe over the doctrine of transubstantiation - these happy little conflicts killed 12 million people over forty years.

We also have the crusades, where we had to get a bunch of people together and retake the Holy Land. We can also add the genocide of the Conquistadores against the Aztecs, Maya, Inca and other central and south American civilizations, and the north American genocide against the indiginous tribes on that continent. Millions died.

In fact, try as I might, there are only a few wars we could consider 'just.' In the twentieth century, the Second World War was just because the Axis countries were invading other countries right and left, and Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Of course, there is the nagging little fact that our oil embargo against the Japanese Empire had a causal relationship with the attack at Pearl Harbor. Still, all things considered, we were justified in facing off against the Axis and it took 60 million lives to get rid of Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo and the rest of the fascists.

And Korea - the forgotten war counts. North Korea invaded South Korea and that was unprovoked. China and the USSR treated it as a proxy war, backing N. Korea, and we let an international coalition to preserve the independence of S. Korea. But we did not fight to win because of the nuclear threat.

'Nam was fought by our kids at the behest of the Military Industrial Complex, which arguably took over this country with the assassination of JFK and the MIC crazies convincing LBJ to send 500,000 of our people over there. They wanted to increase PROFITS from arms production and sales. Wall Street roared! In the meantime, America lost 58,000 people and 3.2 million Vietnamese were killed. We had an anti-war movement and riots that nearly tore the republic apart. But Wall Street and the MIC did GREAT! They sold our government $158 billion in death toys, which would amount to nearly a trillion USD now.

The forever wars were fought as a result of a terrorist act that created a shadow war against an invisible enemy. This war could have been won...economically, but never militarily. Unjust.

And this war in Iran? Unjust.

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But does he speak in tongues and hate gay men and women? displacedvermoter Apr 17 #1
And snakes. He's got to love snakes. Vinca Apr 17 #14
Speaker Johnson is an example of the ignorance and hypocrisy that permeates the white evangelical church.. walkingman Apr 17 #2
You forgot arrogance -- they are steeped in it. OMGWTF Apr 17 #22
Yes, their arrogance is what gets me. They know nothing about their own religion travelingthrulife Apr 18 #54
The evangelical church PJMcK Apr 17 #31
Whatever mj is, christian ain't one of them! mwmisses4289 Apr 17 #3
Aog, Cool meme/factoid dlilafae Apr 17 #4
Johnson is a Lemming. Joinfortmill Apr 17 #5
I doubt johnson has the brain cells Figarosmom Apr 17 #6
Micro Penis Mike Johnson Aviation Pro Apr 17 #7
Do remember, Augustine also opined that sex was cachukis Apr 17 #8
Somehow, that makes Mike Johnson right? Wednesdays Apr 17 #12
Oh, not at all. Just that using prominent theologians cachukis Apr 17 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author cachukis Apr 17 #18
This isn't about procreation GenThePerservering Apr 17 #19
Did Jesus speak of a just war? cachukis Apr 17 #30
Mike Johnson ladies and gentlemen. Ray Bruns Apr 17 #9
Trump is training them to do that Mblaze Apr 17 #11
Someone please tell me that we're running a great democrat against him for this seat BComplex Apr 17 #37
I'm not sure that Jesus Christ Mblaze Apr 17 #10
Ah, the Civil Rights movement was in fact just, but that is not what 'just war' is referring to. PatrickforB Apr 17 #39
Thanks Mblaze Apr 17 #42
Yes, Mahatma Gandhi - those were righteous movements. And I do agree with you. n/t PatrickforB Apr 17 #44
"death toys" blubunyip Apr 18 #49
Mike is an evangelical American Xtian. They have no use for Catholics. LeftinOH Apr 17 #13
Actually, they have no use for Jesus. Wiz Imp Apr 17 #38
I've heard Christian nationalists call Catholics The Wizard Apr 17 #45
MAGAts are morons. Martin68 Apr 17 #15
Saint Augustine, AKA Augustine of Hippo FakeNoose Apr 17 #16
Also, I doubt Augustine was as pale as he is in the Wiki picture haele Apr 17 #29
Mike Johnson makes my skin crawl. 3catwoman3 Apr 17 #20
Oh mine, too! What a slimy weasel! BComplex Apr 17 #36
They train them just like Mossad, CIA or FSB... OhioBack2Blue Apr 17 #46
As I said last week displacedvermoter Apr 17 #43
You're not alone. Not by a long shot! calimary Apr 18 #48
They're ignorant liars. We see it every day. CaptainTruth Apr 17 #21
Johnson is now in charge of "blessing the bombs". twodogsbarking Apr 17 #23
Dear Pope Leo, BidenRocks Apr 17 #24
Mike Johnson Doesn't Understand Something Called "Illegal.... ColoringFool Apr 17 #25
speaker elf on a shelf is a jeebus follower. taint the same. pansypoo53219 Apr 17 #26
elf on the shelf? Jilly_in_VA Apr 17 #28
Martin Luther was an Augustinian too Jilly_in_VA Apr 17 #27
I'm not a big fan of Augustine Metaphorical Apr 17 #32
I'm not a big fan of Augustine either Jilly_in_VA Apr 17 #35
Power mad... GiqueCee Apr 17 #33
Explain this one Mikey! BidenRocks Apr 17 #34
One of the best scenes in the whole 7 seasons. 3catwoman3 Apr 18 #50
I was working at Warner Bros. at the time. BidenRocks Apr 18 #52
How exciting that must have been. What did you do there? 3catwoman3 Apr 18 #53
That poster boy for The Dunning-Kruger effect knows better, of course. Dave Bowman Apr 17 #40
Bazinga! ShazzieB Apr 17 #41
YEP!!!! BurnDoubt Apr 18 #47
That's what happens... returnee Apr 18 #51
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