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TygrBright

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54. It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because...
Fri May 15, 2026, 06:50 PM
May 15

...we lack a meaningful epistemology of the phenomenon represented by people who use wealth to accrue and use power, and the first-line proxies they employ.

This may represent a small victory for those specifically concerned with the propaganda element of their operations, by the deployment of terms like "conspiracy" and "secret" and "shadowy" and the linking of such terms with concepts that peel away serious attention and valid analysis and discourage scrutiny on a wider level.

There is also an organic level of misdirection embedded in the terminology through various entertainment and storytelling media that use such terms ("conspiracy", etc.) in fictionalized constructs that postulate intentional and covert organizations and cooperation to contain the action into a useful story arc. At its most extreme fictionalization these are the organized and directed constructs of either individual supervillains or organized groups embedded within or acting on behalf of state factions.

Even the treatment of what we know as "organized crime" in the factual world is subject to this misdirective conceptualization and the imputation of much more coherent and broadly-postulated logistical organization than Occam's Razor will support. "Conspiracies" in the specific criminal sense are unquestionably real and unfortunately common, but they are rarely more complex than is needed to accomplish specific ends.

Instead, there is an organic, even ethnographic element to the kind of activity analyzed under the 'big, shadowy conspiracy with tentacles everywhere' construct. Water flows downhill. Backs are scratched, Knowledge of who can (and will) do what is acquired and remembered and used. Those who live within a particular milieu tend to interact, especially when shared interests come into play.

And the milieus themselves interlock and interlink based on the people within them, pursuing their natural interests, looking to contacts who have knowledge of other milieus when they need to expand into new areas. Then passing the useful information about proxies, investors, resources, etc. on in turn as a back scratch or part of yet another scheme involving others within their milieu.

Technology has certainly enabled higher levels of organization and knowledge-sharing that may, in function, appear as carefully planned constructs rather than natural functions that are predicated by the three factors of individuals involved, situational elements, and systemic configurations. Over time, efforts to increase the availability of situational targets by affecting the configuration of systems to enable opportunistic predation may look like masterminds closeted in a luxurious secret lair and planning to take over the world.

But it's more akin to how a river will wear away obstacles as it works out a path from its source to its outflow.

The real discussions need to be focused less on who is having a secret phone call to launder money to complete some specific criminal enterprise and more on how to decouple the connections between money and power. And on how to do so against the opposition of the broad category of powerful actors who have benefited from the vitiation of economic and legal constraints to keep power and money sequestered from each other.

And that must start with a careful, intentional propaganda war that focuses less on Spy vs. Spy conspiracies and streaming melodramas about power and corruption, and more on the realities of building and supporting social, political, and economic constructs that enable broad support for diverse populations, social mobility, participatory decision making, and future-focused incentives. It is unglamorous work. It isn't as exciting as seeing the bad guys and skeeves get their comeuppance. It takes generations and a willingness to make trade-offs of social rewards for personal rewards.

But as long as we can keep people distracted with constructing elaborate internet-based whiteboards with photos and clippings pasted onto them and threads forming an increasingly complicated macrame of the "conspiracy" we have less incentive to focus on structural change.

Sadly,
Bright

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who else is attacking Trump's prosecutors, and the man who convicted the rioters Trump pardoned, released bigtree May 15 #1
Where are Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco Today? gab13by13 May 15 #2
Garland delayed in prosecuting Trump after GOP tried to delay his nomination for a huge loss of time. GreenWave May 15 #4
Money, Power, Fascism -- The Octopus Kid Berwyn May 15 #3
and the Supreme Court who not only enabled Trump back into office bigtree May 15 #7
Garland did not stop the traitor nor his conspiracy. Kid Berwyn May 15 #20
charges were brought some 17 months before the election bigtree May 15 #22
In truth, it goes back to Dealey Plaza on 22 November 1963. Kid Berwyn May 15 #24
The Berwyn Book Encyclopedia yellow dahlia May 15 #64
The OCTOPUS in Dallas: Poppy involved in JFK Assassination Kid Berwyn May 16 #77
Thanks, Kid! yellow dahlia May 16 #78
Garland fell short for whatever reason and on that basis given the ramifications, was a colossal failure. Defending him KPN May 15 #29
no, the courts fell short, then the American people followed bigtree May 15 #36
Thanks for all the good information. Minds may not be changed, but facts will be out there. Joinfortmill May 16 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill May 15 #40
Agreed. The moment he knew of stolen state secrets he should arrested him... returnee May 15 #49
the courts failed us bigtree May 15 #50
As I understand it... returnee May 16 #66
The government brings the cases before the grand jury questionseverything May 17 #82
counterpunch was basically a Russian tool during the 2016 election bigtree May 15 #12
CounterPunch sucks most when they publish an article I don't agree with. Kid Berwyn May 15 #21
Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez is doing her courageous part with the Epstein horrors on her substack. Bumbles May 15 #5
If Merrick Garland is really "one of them" then why wasn't he approved for SCOTUS? FakeNoose May 15 #6
As Is Your Prerogative. But Don't Think You KNOW Garland...... ColoringFool May 15 #9
most people who pretend he's some double agent don't know anything about the actual prosecution bigtree May 15 #11
What became of those prosecutions? CivicGrief May 15 #30
instead of just being trifled with this bigtree May 15 #35
Ha! Future prosecutions. CivicGrief May 15 #41
what's sad is the literal surrender from people claiming to be so concerned with prosecuting Trump bigtree May 15 #47
If Jack Smith ever comes forward and says that Merrick Garland is actually "corrupt" and "in with them" FakeNoose May 15 #53
Garland hate guarantees clicks MorbidButterflyTat May 15 #33
Republicans prevented Garland Mad_Machine76 May 15 #62
That's because Garland is not (and never was) one of them FakeNoose May 16 #74
I HAVE SAID MOST OF THIS, EVEN BCCI. AND THEN THE "WOOO! TINHAT!" COMMENTS...... ColoringFool May 15 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree May 15 #10
To people like Thiel, Musk, and their employees manipulating the data to get their and the Powers That Be .. Botany May 15 #13
Don't forget the bomb threats karin_sj May 15 #52
I've been saying the same thing for years. Irish_Dem May 15 #18
The BCCI-CIA Connection: Just How Far Did It Go? Kid Berwyn May 22 #84
The Bush Crime Family had tentacles everywhere. Irish_Dem May 22 #85
May I suggest lonely bird May 15 #14
So glad that he prioritized avoiding the appearance of a political agenda Orrex May 15 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 16 #67
The Garland Society folks don't like this one bit. BannonsLiver May 15 #16
Garland society folks are pro prosecution of Trump bigtree May 15 #17
Bahahaha BannonsLiver May 15 #25
no doubt the Anti-Trump Prosecution society exists bigtree May 15 #37
Epstein class oligarchs irisblue May 15 #19
😬 Floyd R. Turbo May 15 #23
Bookmarking for later reading. Epstein-town? CoopersDad May 15 #26
Maybe that's why it always seems like 1 step forward 2 steps back bucolic_frolic May 15 #27
Well, one thing cannot be denied, Garland was an Obama SCOTUS choice. Joinfortmill May 15 #28
True. My understanding was he selected Garland as someone the R Senate would surely approve -- part of his "team of KPN May 15 #31
Great post/thread Botany, even if in small or even large part it is theory. Theory is what leads to finding facts and KPN May 15 #32
All I know is, Trump never talks about Garland nor does he seek revenge against him thebigidea May 15 #34
you have to be kidding bigtree May 15 #38
I see you graduated to Trump Truth Social posts CivicGrief May 15 #42
this is specious bigtree May 15 #45
It's a false claim to imply Trump is going after Garland in the courts like he is everyone else thebigidea May 15 #57
not yet bigtree May 15 #59
It's possible that Donald is AFRAID of Garland, with good reason I might add. Joinfortmill May 16 #70
Is "Thiswillhold" the QAnon of the left? chowder66 May 15 #39
It is BlueAnon. It pushes CT crackpottery that repeatededly has been debunked, yet it persists. Celerity May 15 #43
Yes. mr715 May 15 #56
I love history. I love mysteries. I love taking things... littlemissmartypants May 15 #44
Knowledge is good Botany May 15 #46
This thing, I call it the evil of psychopaths, has existed for all time. ... littlemissmartypants May 15 #48
The best way out of our current predicament is arresting the evil doers questionseverything May 17 #83
by the way, the substack is conspiratorial claptrap bigtree May 15 #51
It appears there is a good chance This Will Hold is actually Russian state sponsored disinformation Wiz Imp May 16 #76
It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because... TygrBright May 15 #54
You mean we should be a.... reACTIONary May 15 #65
Untangling the Octopus Kid Berwyn May 15 #55
who is this new poster, and what expertise does he have for making these claims bigtree May 15 #60
To help explain how Epstein was protected since Reagan. Kid Berwyn May 16 #73
Duh , kid is octo... octo is kid , he's a long time duer and he is always sourced questionseverything May 17 #81
It's disgusting to see this kooky CT nonsense rise to the top of the Greatest Page Fiendish Thingy May 15 #58
Every bit of it is sourced and footnoted. Hardly kooky conspiracy theory. Botany May 16 #71
Thanks for sharing, Botany! That was an important read. It was jam packed. yellow dahlia May 15 #61
This is why I have become a misanthrope. BigmanPigman May 15 #63
Garland was blueknight73 May 16 #69
a tragic mistake themaguffin May 16 #75
Well, there's this. It seems that Merrick Garland was NOT popular with the Federalist Society Joinfortmill May 16 #72
Eaton Corporation LessAspin May 16 #79
And in 2021 Eaton bought Tripp Lite and that allowed the placement of firmware patches onto the Botany May 17 #80
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