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Jedi Guy

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15. I tend to view it as a question of values and how seriously we take them.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:06 PM
Jun 5

Platner has been accused of behavior (borderline violence towards women) that, quite frankly, would earn visceral condemnation were he not running for the Senate.

I've had someone try to brush that off as "relationships can get physical without it descending to abuse", which struck me as a very obvious cope. Leaving marks on someone with your hands, pushing them into a room and keeping them there against their will... those are abusive behaviors and trying to argue otherwise is wildly disingenuous. The former is battery, the latter could be false imprisonment or hell, even kidnapping.

So as I see it the question is, do our values about how women (and people in general) should be treated hold firm and apply in all cases or do we set those values aside in service of a political agenda, namely control of the Senate? If we excuse or ignore or minimize these behaviors in Platner in the name of political expedience I feel like that undermines our claim to take these values seriously.

The next time a Republican candidate is accused of putting hands on people the criticism of that behavior by those who defended Platner are going to ring just a wee bit hollow from where I'm standing.

That's just how I view this and my opinion is worth absolutely nothing since I don't vote in Maine. I just find it disheartening that so many people are shrugging off these very, very problematic behaviors without a backward glance when they'd be roundly condemning him if he were some random schmoe and not a Senate candidate.

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A simple poll [View all] sarisataka Jun 5 OP
When one side has thrown the rule book in the garbage, then all bets are off. -nt CrispyQ Jun 5 #1
This orangecrush Jun 5 #26
Yup. I'm not a big fan of unilateral disarmament. 11 Bravo Jun 5 #27
Would you kill Hitler? Nothing is absolute. Scrivener7 Jun 5 #2
It is a philosophical question so there is no "right" answer sarisataka Jun 5 #6
If you're a time traveler, you don't have to kill Hitler at all Uncle Joe Jun 6 #32
Morality is relative to the context and circumstances Fiendish Thingy Jun 5 #3
That is a comparison often brought up sarisataka Jun 5 #8
That's why your poll is flawed logically Fiendish Thingy Jun 5 #10
It is not a poll of logic sarisataka Jun 5 #12
Logic is one essential element of philosophy Fiendish Thingy Jun 5 #13
I tend to view it as a question of values and how seriously we take them. Jedi Guy Jun 5 #15
It's also ironic that the accusations against Platner Fiendish Thingy Jun 5 #17
I don't think she's the only one who's reported borderline violent behavior during past relationships, though. Jedi Guy Jun 5 #18
Her account is the only one I've read alleging violence Fiendish Thingy Jun 5 #21
Logic is a component sarisataka Jun 5 #16
Explaining my "Pass" response Bettie Jun 5 #4
Exactly why I didn't vote obamanut2012 Jun 5 #5
Correct! I can understand why many people prefer a binary choice of this-or-that, black-or-white, up-or-down, etc. QueerDuck Jun 5 #19
You could simply ask sarisataka Jun 5 #24
Yes, I remember it well. It was a position that was secretly supported but publicly excused by many... QueerDuck Jun 5 #25
That "baby Hitler" line made me think of an episode of Family Guy Polybius Jun 5 #31
Need an "it depends" option. Happy Hoosier Jun 5 #7
Not always an either or issue, so I passed jimmy the one Jun 5 #9
That would make it too easy sarisataka Jun 5 #11
What people say vs what they would do Sympthsical Jun 5 #14
I support Rawlsian Liberalism. mr715 Jun 5 #20
That begs the question sarisataka Jun 5 #22
When I took political theory, the floor was the number 20. mr715 Jun 5 #23
Appreciation for all who answered and the discussion sarisataka Jun 5 #28
That was an adept rhetorical flourish, sarisataka mr715 Jun 5 #29
Sometimes the choice is one of bad or worse. GoodRaisin Jun 5 #30
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