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96. Many good points herein. And while
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:21 AM
Jun 26

I'm inclined to disagree with the main premise of the op re. what Democrats have not done, I do understand where the frustration (in general) is coming from.

Personally I'm not as concerned with labels, those we assume or those others would thrust upon us, as I am with positions and actions.

I'd written awhile back that I'd long considered myself a liberal, until I one day took an online test that determined political classification based upon a set of responses. To my utter surprise, it classified me as a progressive.

I'd also written, back then, that I believed maga was the cause for that. As I believe they are, for the groundswell of support and turnout we've seen of late.

Because these aren't normal times, and this isn't just a contest between ' conservative' ideology and liberal.

We are in a fight against a cult of extremists who'd eliminate us, figuratively at least, if not literally... if they could.

And so one might logically argue that every extreme authoritarian, and unconscionable action they undertake in lurching ever farther to the right,

via abuses to the rights, safety and welfare of individuals and peoples, via abuses of power

lends legitimacy (if not urgency) to an equal and opposite reaction to such abuses. And people have, perhaps, grown weary of what many see as a tepid response. I know I have.

As I've also tired of the divisiveness, the squabbling, the second guessing. Of those who need our candidates to meet some purity test, to check our every box. Tired of hearing who can't or shouldn't win

and from those who'd seek to divide us on behalf of and in the service of warmongers, despots, and dictators, at home and abroad, who use us as a means to further their own agendas.

We need unity.

I want to support winners, those who generate enthusiasm because it's important for us to WIN. I don't care what they call themselves nor especially what they are called.

Magas and warmongering despot dictators like Trump & Co. will trot out the well worn labels: socialists, communists, because it's what they always do. While they double down on hate, intolerance, supremacy, and fascism.

If being against all of that makes one a 'socialist' then so be it. It's what they called Dr. King. And in that regard, not bad company, I think.

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Repubics know how to energize their base The Wizard Jun 25 #1
No political party is perfect................... Lovie777 Jun 25 #2
Some Democrats are definately not comfortable with Progressive Democrats ihaveaquestion Jun 25 #4
What do you mean by "Slapped Around"? It seems the party moved left. 33taw Jun 25 #22
no, it means the voters moved the party left. ret5hd Jun 25 #29
Isn't that what always happens? 33taw Jun 25 #33
well, maybe...just maybe... ret5hd Jun 25 #34
Agree. 33taw Jun 25 #48
Centrist Democrat incumbents got beat. The voters have always leaned left of center. ihaveaquestion Jun 25 #30
The Democratic party is still in the middle of the road, Democratic voters have passed them up . Autumn Jun 25 #58
I am supporting a Progressive House candidate in my Congressional district. wnylib Jun 25 #67
I'm with you, Ihaveaquestion. Another Liberal Democrat here who is ready BComplex Jun 25 #70
I agree. Sure we got the ACA but then...middle of the road types including Demsrule86 Jun 25 #74
I WAS that guy ("be realistic; think pragmatically"), and I'm still that guy when it comes to the General and voting for Grown2Hate Jun 25 #82
Yesterday was incredibly stupid creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #92
Calling progressives "looney" sure doesn't help us unite luv2fly Jun 26 #93
Interesting because SocialDemocrat61 Jun 26 #100
Talking nice to them doesn't work creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #119
Getting called on an insult and then doubling down isn't a good look luv2fly Jun 26 #133
No, they won't. It's a "Boy Cried Wolf" scenario defined TVguyCards Jun 26 #104
To the best of my knowledge, Obama never self-identified as a Communist... QueerDuck Jun 26 #108
Correct TVguyCards Jun 26 #111
Their insults and accusations had no teeth, and no plausibility. The absurdity allowed them to be easily dismissed... QueerDuck Jun 26 #112
I'll have to disagree TVguyCards Jun 26 #130
LOL! Well, I love the enthusiasm, but... QueerDuck Jun 26 #132
I'm serious, Google it TVguyCards Jun 27 #135
Thanks for sharing the link! It's an interesting read... QueerDuck Jun 27 #137
Berne is popular in VT creeksneakers2 Jun 27 #134
He's literally the most popular TVguyCards Jun 27 #136
Narrowing it to "active politicians" definitely helps his numbers... QueerDuck Jun 27 #138
Forward we go XD TVguyCards Tuesday #140
I found something that put him at #3 but the numbers they used didn't match everything else. creeksneakers2 Jun 27 #139
I like Bernie but he has been in the Senate for decades and has not accomplished travelingthrulife Tuesday #141
I really disagree here a lot TVguyCards Tuesday #143
Now that there are actual socialists they'll have evidence. creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #125
Mainstream Dems talk... OhioBack2Blue Jun 25 #3
100% Blue Full Moon Jun 26 #102
Yeah, the ACA sucked huh? nt LexVegas Jun 25 #5
It would have been much better with single payer, medicare for all sboatcar Jun 25 #31
Insurance companies L-O-V-E-D it! AStern Jun 25 #46
Why was a public option left out when democrats passed it? Emile Jun 25 #69
It passed the House, couldn't pass in Senate because needed 60 votes and couldn't get them. betsuni Jun 25 #86
Excellent post of the facts, betsuni. sheshe2 Jun 26 #88
Republican playbook: 100% obstruction, Democrats without huge majorities like FDR, convince idiots to blame Dems. betsuni Jun 26 #98
So the public option was excluded from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) because Democrats lacked Emile Jun 26 #97
Everyone forgets our own Dem Sen. Max Baucus nixed it right out of the box... ms liberty Jun 26 #105
Excellent post of facts! Emile Jun 26 #106
Max Baucus hatrack Jun 26 #107
It kinda did Polybius Jun 26 #99
Your statement is incorrect. Have you forgotten the ADA, ACA, the Family and sinkingfeeling Jun 25 #6
BUt how much did we really gain? if Mango and crew can dismantle JT45242 Jun 25 #16
The first thing we need to do is get rid of the Senister Six on the Court. BComplex Jun 25 #71
When Dems control both houses of Congress and the presidency, they have accomplished quite a bit Martin Eden Jun 25 #7
Our system needs major revamping. returnee Jun 25 #8
Because most Dems do not trust DSA types and a lot of DSA's are unrealistic about how politics works. LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #10
We laughed at Maggots and called them unrealistic in '16. 3Hotdogs Jun 25 #12
Is that supposed to give me confidence about electing DSA types? LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #19
Billionaires have a lot of power. yardwork Jun 25 #28
and yet the dem socialists seem to be winning actual elections moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #17
in NYC LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #20
A Muslim Socialist won in a city that has the biggest Jewish population in the world TVguyCards Jun 25 #61
Dem Socialists/progressives have run in recent years and not done that great in rural areas but I've nothing against the LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #65
I honestly don't recall any who have TVguyCards Jun 25 #66
In very liberal NYC mcar Jun 25 #42
"DSA types" ? Jilly_in_VA Jun 25 #26
"DSA types" equals New Deal Democrats AStern Jun 25 #59
LymphocyteLover Makes some Good Points. nt. Cha Jun 25 #63
By DSA-type I am referring to DSA people but also certain leftists and progressive Dems that may not be officially with LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #120
It's exactly the non-"DSA types"... returnee Jun 25 #54
I don't have any huge problem with DSA policy-wise, as long as they vote for Dems in the general election, LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #121
There's too many Stacey Grove Tuesday #142
I'll take an Eisenhower repub... returnee Tuesday #144
Why do you think that is? TVguyCards Jun 25 #60
See these policies LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #122
"DSA types" as you call them are just following what they do in European BComplex Jun 25 #73
and I'm not against that at all! Still they are not Democrats and they do create division in the Dem party. LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #123
Are you not following what's happening? TransitJohn Jun 26 #114
I agree most Democrats like a lot of the progressive social policies that DSA promotes. I do too. LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #124
this is BS, though I don't know exactly what you mean by "mainstreamers" LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #9
Centrists, establishment, moderate, status quo, neoliberal, mainstreamer. Means capitalism. Capitalism bad. betsuni Jun 25 #81
The reich-wing mass media machine has demonized anything for the public good as "socialism." Mysterian Jun 25 #11
I caught a few minutes of The Five on Fox last night just to see the reaction to NY. For these people "socialism" OGBuzz Jun 25 #15
The Democratic Party in disarray! crud Jun 25 #13
Fight referee? DFW Jun 25 #40
I am convinced that profit has been the... S/V Loner Jun 25 #14
Reminder: data shows that most voters who identify as "moderates" actually prefer progressive policies Fiendish Thingy Jun 25 #18
Socialists elected maliaSmith Jun 25 #21
So did I DFW Jun 25 #41
You are suggesting that Boo1 Jun 25 #23
Somehow you missed the ACA Progressive dog Jun 25 #24
You're skipping over a lot. SamuelAdams Jun 25 #25
I'm all in - traditional Democrat or Progressive Democrat - I'll be supporting them. n/t iluvtennis Jun 25 #27
That's the key. yardwork Jun 25 #32
Well said @yardwork. n/t iluvtennis Jun 25 #36
Thanks. yardwork Jun 25 #38
To Be Effective, Democrats Need to Be the Majority MineralMan Jun 25 #35
This basic fact is known by billionaires. yardwork Jun 25 #37
Well, that strategy appears to be working. MineralMan Jun 25 #39
Who are you electing in your House District? Quiet Em Jun 25 #43
Like Bartelby, "I would prefer not to." DFW Jun 25 #44
Can't we celebrate good things happening 1WorldHope Jun 25 #45
The Democratic Socialists actually have a higher approval rating than Congressional Democrats AZProgressive Jun 25 #47
We played this game on DU in 2016 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 25 #49
I logged off of DU at the beginning of that primary season AZProgressive Jun 25 #51
"Mainstream" democrats have made it so that I can afford health insurance (ACA). LudwigPastorius Jun 25 #50
Are you self employed, poor or a brown person? 1WorldHope Jun 25 #55
Indeed, I am self employed. LudwigPastorius Jun 25 #57
I was also self employed most of my working career. 1WorldHope Jun 25 #62
Uh the OP is point blank saying Democrats haven't accomplished anything since Medicare. BannonsLiver Jun 26 #116
I'll happily vote for either in a given election Torchlight Jun 25 #52
OK. No one can accomplish anything unless LeftInTX Jun 25 #53
All of us are democratic socialists to one degree or another (small d, small s), but MSM and pundits are wiggs Jun 25 #56
From Google AI EnergizedLib Jun 25 #64
Democratic Socialism vs Social Democracy thought crime Jun 25 #80
Main streamers. LizVerite Jun 25 #68
Manchin & Sinema are gone (thank God), but Fetterman is still there, voting with the GOP whenever he can. red dog 1 Jun 25 #72
Lets elect, smart, honest, and committed people. Period. Joinfortmill Jun 25 #75
I'm just not keen on people who call Joe Biden a "rapist". RandySF Jun 25 #76
Socialist Schmocalist. Centrist Schmentrist. FIGHT OLIGARCHY. usonian Jun 25 #77
. RandySF Jun 25 #78
So true, and makes one wonder just what some expect to accomplish by divisive posts like this OP blaming all the lostincalifornia Jun 25 #85
Still see idea that people are forced to vote for Republicans/3rd party because Democrats aren't progressive enough. betsuni Jun 26 #109
I think you analysis is on the mark. lostincalifornia Jun 26 #117
Democratic Socialists or main stream Dems. We've been electing "main streamers" for over 50 years and for warmfeet Jun 25 #79
Some might argue that the DSA gave us bush in 2000 thanks to Nader, trump in 2016 with the help of lostincalifornia Jun 25 #83
Some might argue that the democratic socialists kept getting yelled at to join the Democratic Party, and so they did. Iggo Jun 26 #89
Nina Turner, Sirota, Cornell West, Prof. Eddie George oasis Jun 26 #90
This is breaking into the open FINALLY Bluetus Jun 25 #84
Both! Iggo Jun 25 #87
More progressive lies creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #91
Those in our ranks who worked to derail our nominees in 2000 and 2016 DFW Jun 26 #95
Same fact-free myth that the Democratic Party has shifted to the right over the decades. Zero evidence. betsuni Jun 26 #94
Many good points herein. And while B.See Jun 26 #96
Why are we doing this? RandySF Jun 26 #101
While I personally am more aligned with DSA JBTaurus83 Jun 26 #103
I think it doesn't have to be one way or the other - why not have a diverse set of ideas? walkingman Jun 26 #110
Actually, We Have Failed to Do That in Two Recent, Crucial Elections. MineralMan Jun 26 #113
I'm for running candidates that fit their communities. BannonsLiver Jun 26 #115
ACA. But More To The Point: If You Think ANYONE, EVEN JESUS HIMSELF, Could Get Elected With..... ColoringFool Jun 26 #118
Way past time to tack left. marble falls Jun 26 #126
So the ACA has no benefit the average commoner? krawhitham Jun 26 #127
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 krawhitham Jun 26 #128
Since 1977 Dems have created 43,551,000 more jobs than GQP krawhitham Jun 26 #129
Not this again.... Etherealoc1 Jun 26 #131
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