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140. Forward we go XD

Tue Jun 30, 2026, 09:10 AM

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Narrowing it to active politicians definitely helps his numbers by filtering out massively popular figures like Obama, but it doesn't change the underlying reality of the data.

Which makes Bernie Sanders the second most popular if we include everyone. Also, Obama is viewed positively by 57% of Americans. You know who has a bad ranking? Our party. And I want that changed and firmly believe it can be. The energy is on the lft right now and we must seize upon it.

The fact of the matter is that the country remains heavily fragmented. If 54% of the country is not on board (and you lack the broad support of Black voters) you don't have a clear path to "kick GOP ass like never before."

Why is it this only seems to apply to the left progressive and Socialist flanks of the party? I disagree, a lot. Why do I disagree? Well take a look at Republicans who are accomplishing A LOT (sure it's all a bunch of shit) despite them having such low approval numbers. Has that stopped them? No it sure hasn't. So why would it stop us? Especially if we're changing things to better the lives of poor and working class people. We're the antithesis of the GOP because we give a shit about others and through that legislation which truly helps people the numbers go way up.

Also, it's important to note that in modern politics, politicians with a lower national profile or hyper-loyal regional bases (like an independent Senator from a small state for example) will often carry better net favorability metrics because they don't take the everyday national media beatings that presidents, vice presidents, and congressional speakers do.

Bernie is very popular. And he ran twice. He takes a lot of shit from the media for sure. He also doesn't hold back and let things slide which is a reason why for his popularity, it's one thing among several. I'm not here to argue about Bernie however. I'm here because the times aren't changing, the times already have changed. 20 years ago Socialists in Congress was unthinkable. Today it's a reality. And that economic message rings true, rings loud, and is deafening.

My enthusiasm isn't so much about Bernie. My enthusiasm is about the ideology and how we have people who are locked in and focused on issues that impact the lower classes & centers it as their top issue. It's driving lots of hope and excitement in a time when the world is a very dark place and THAT is a very good thing! We Democrats are going to kick some serious ass!

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Democratic Socialists or main stream Dems. We've been electing "main streamers" for over 50 years and for [View all] 3Hotdogs Jun 25 OP

Repubics know how to energize their base The Wizard Jun 25 #1

No political party is perfect................... Lovie777 Jun 25 #2

Some Democrats are definately not comfortable with Progressive Democrats ihaveaquestion Jun 25 #4

What do you mean by "Slapped Around"? It seems the party moved left. 33taw Jun 25 #22

no, it means the voters moved the party left. ret5hd Jun 25 #29

Isn't that what always happens? 33taw Jun 25 #33

well, maybe...just maybe... ret5hd Jun 25 #34

Agree. 33taw Jun 25 #48

Centrist Democrat incumbents got beat. The voters have always leaned left of center. ihaveaquestion Jun 25 #30

The Democratic party is still in the middle of the road, Democratic voters have passed them up . Autumn Jun 25 #58

I am supporting a Progressive House candidate in my Congressional district. wnylib Jun 25 #67

I'm with you, Ihaveaquestion. Another Liberal Democrat here who is ready BComplex Jun 25 #70

I agree. Sure we got the ACA but then...middle of the road types including Demsrule86 Jun 25 #74

I WAS that guy ("be realistic; think pragmatically"), and I'm still that guy when it comes to the General and voting for Grown2Hate Jun 25 #82

Yesterday was incredibly stupid creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #92

Calling progressives "looney" sure doesn't help us unite luv2fly Jun 26 #93

Interesting because SocialDemocrat61 Jun 26 #100

Talking nice to them doesn't work creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #119

Getting called on an insult and then doubling down isn't a good look luv2fly Jun 26 #133

No, they won't. It's a "Boy Cried Wolf" scenario defined TVguyCards Jun 26 #104

To the best of my knowledge, Obama never self-identified as a Communist... QueerDuck Jun 26 #108

Correct TVguyCards Jun 26 #111

Their insults and accusations had no teeth, and no plausibility. The absurdity allowed them to be easily dismissed... QueerDuck Jun 26 #112

I'll have to disagree TVguyCards Jun 26 #130

LOL! Well, I love the enthusiasm, but... QueerDuck Jun 26 #132

I'm serious, Google it TVguyCards Jun 27 #135

Thanks for sharing the link! It's an interesting read... QueerDuck Jun 27 #137

Berne is popular in VT creeksneakers2 Jun 27 #134

He's literally the most popular TVguyCards Jun 27 #136

Narrowing it to "active politicians" definitely helps his numbers... QueerDuck Jun 27 #138

Forward we go XD TVguyCards Tuesday #140

I found something that put him at #3 but the numbers they used didn't match everything else. creeksneakers2 Jun 27 #139

I like Bernie but he has been in the Senate for decades and has not accomplished travelingthrulife Tuesday #141

I really disagree here a lot TVguyCards Tuesday #143

Now that there are actual socialists they'll have evidence. creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #125

Mainstream Dems talk... OhioBack2Blue Jun 25 #3

100% Blue Full Moon Jun 26 #102

Yeah, the ACA sucked huh? nt LexVegas Jun 25 #5

It would have been much better with single payer, medicare for all sboatcar Jun 25 #31

Insurance companies L-O-V-E-D it! AStern Jun 25 #46

Why was a public option left out when democrats passed it? Emile Jun 25 #69

It passed the House, couldn't pass in Senate because needed 60 votes and couldn't get them. betsuni Jun 25 #86

Excellent post of the facts, betsuni. sheshe2 Jun 26 #88

Republican playbook: 100% obstruction, Democrats without huge majorities like FDR, convince idiots to blame Dems. betsuni Jun 26 #98

So the public option was excluded from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) because Democrats lacked Emile Jun 26 #97

Everyone forgets our own Dem Sen. Max Baucus nixed it right out of the box... ms liberty Jun 26 #105

Excellent post of facts! Emile Jun 26 #106

Max Baucus hatrack Jun 26 #107

It kinda did Polybius Jun 26 #99

Your statement is incorrect. Have you forgotten the ADA, ACA, the Family and sinkingfeeling Jun 25 #6

BUt how much did we really gain? if Mango and crew can dismantle JT45242 Jun 25 #16

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the Senister Six on the Court. BComplex Jun 25 #71

When Dems control both houses of Congress and the presidency, they have accomplished quite a bit Martin Eden Jun 25 #7

Our system needs major revamping. returnee Jun 25 #8

Because most Dems do not trust DSA types and a lot of DSA's are unrealistic about how politics works. LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #10

We laughed at Maggots and called them unrealistic in '16. 3Hotdogs Jun 25 #12

Is that supposed to give me confidence about electing DSA types? LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #19

Billionaires have a lot of power. yardwork Jun 25 #28

and yet the dem socialists seem to be winning actual elections moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #17

in NYC LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #20

A Muslim Socialist won in a city that has the biggest Jewish population in the world TVguyCards Jun 25 #61

Dem Socialists/progressives have run in recent years and not done that great in rural areas but I've nothing against the LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #65

I honestly don't recall any who have TVguyCards Jun 25 #66

In very liberal NYC mcar Jun 25 #42

"DSA types" ? Jilly_in_VA Jun 25 #26

"DSA types" equals New Deal Democrats AStern Jun 25 #59

LymphocyteLover Makes some Good Points. nt. Cha Jun 25 #63

By DSA-type I am referring to DSA people but also certain leftists and progressive Dems that may not be officially with LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #120

It's exactly the non-"DSA types"... returnee Jun 25 #54

I don't have any huge problem with DSA policy-wise, as long as they vote for Dems in the general election, LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #121

There's too many Stacey Grove Tuesday #142

I'll take an Eisenhower repub... returnee Tuesday #144

Why do you think that is? TVguyCards Jun 25 #60

See these policies LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #122

"DSA types" as you call them are just following what they do in European BComplex Jun 25 #73

and I'm not against that at all! Still they are not Democrats and they do create division in the Dem party. LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #123

Are you not following what's happening? TransitJohn Jun 26 #114

I agree most Democrats like a lot of the progressive social policies that DSA promotes. I do too. LymphocyteLover Jun 26 #124

this is BS, though I don't know exactly what you mean by "mainstreamers" LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #9

Centrists, establishment, moderate, status quo, neoliberal, mainstreamer. Means capitalism. Capitalism bad. betsuni Jun 25 #81

The reich-wing mass media machine has demonized anything for the public good as "socialism." Mysterian Jun 25 #11

I caught a few minutes of The Five on Fox last night just to see the reaction to NY. For these people "socialism" OGBuzz Jun 25 #15

The Democratic Party in disarray! crud Jun 25 #13

Fight referee? DFW Jun 25 #40

I am convinced that profit has been the... S/V Loner Jun 25 #14

Reminder: data shows that most voters who identify as "moderates" actually prefer progressive policies Fiendish Thingy Jun 25 #18

Socialists elected maliaSmith Jun 25 #21

So did I DFW Jun 25 #41

You are suggesting that Boo1 Jun 25 #23

Somehow you missed the ACA Progressive dog Jun 25 #24

You're skipping over a lot. SamuelAdams Jun 25 #25

I'm all in - traditional Democrat or Progressive Democrat - I'll be supporting them. n/t iluvtennis Jun 25 #27

That's the key. yardwork Jun 25 #32

Well said @yardwork. n/t iluvtennis Jun 25 #36

Thanks. yardwork Jun 25 #38

To Be Effective, Democrats Need to Be the Majority MineralMan Jun 25 #35

This basic fact is known by billionaires. yardwork Jun 25 #37

Well, that strategy appears to be working. MineralMan Jun 25 #39

Who are you electing in your House District? Quiet Em Jun 25 #43

Like Bartelby, "I would prefer not to." DFW Jun 25 #44

Can't we celebrate good things happening 1WorldHope Jun 25 #45

The Democratic Socialists actually have a higher approval rating than Congressional Democrats AZProgressive Jun 25 #47

We played this game on DU in 2016 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 25 #49

I logged off of DU at the beginning of that primary season AZProgressive Jun 25 #51

"Mainstream" democrats have made it so that I can afford health insurance (ACA). LudwigPastorius Jun 25 #50

Are you self employed, poor or a brown person? 1WorldHope Jun 25 #55

Indeed, I am self employed. LudwigPastorius Jun 25 #57

I was also self employed most of my working career. 1WorldHope Jun 25 #62

Uh the OP is point blank saying Democrats haven't accomplished anything since Medicare. BannonsLiver Jun 26 #116

I'll happily vote for either in a given election Torchlight Jun 25 #52

OK. No one can accomplish anything unless LeftInTX Jun 25 #53

All of us are democratic socialists to one degree or another (small d, small s), but MSM and pundits are wiggs Jun 25 #56

From Google AI EnergizedLib Jun 25 #64

Democratic Socialism vs Social Democracy thought crime Jun 25 #80

Main streamers. LizVerite Jun 25 #68

Manchin & Sinema are gone (thank God), but Fetterman is still there, voting with the GOP whenever he can. red dog 1 Jun 25 #72

Lets elect, smart, honest, and committed people. Period. Joinfortmill Jun 25 #75

I'm just not keen on people who call Joe Biden a "rapist". RandySF Jun 25 #76

Socialist Schmocalist. Centrist Schmentrist. FIGHT OLIGARCHY. usonian Jun 25 #77

. RandySF Jun 25 #78

So true, and makes one wonder just what some expect to accomplish by divisive posts like this OP blaming all the lostincalifornia Jun 25 #85

Still see idea that people are forced to vote for Republicans/3rd party because Democrats aren't progressive enough. betsuni Jun 26 #109

I think you analysis is on the mark. lostincalifornia Jun 26 #117

Democratic Socialists or main stream Dems. We've been electing "main streamers" for over 50 years and for warmfeet Jun 25 #79

Some might argue that the DSA gave us bush in 2000 thanks to Nader, trump in 2016 with the help of lostincalifornia Jun 25 #83

Some might argue that the democratic socialists kept getting yelled at to join the Democratic Party, and so they did. Iggo Jun 26 #89

Nina Turner, Sirota, Cornell West, Prof. Eddie George oasis Jun 26 #90

This is breaking into the open FINALLY Bluetus Jun 25 #84

Both! Iggo Jun 25 #87

More progressive lies creeksneakers2 Jun 26 #91

Those in our ranks who worked to derail our nominees in 2000 and 2016 DFW Jun 26 #95

Same fact-free myth that the Democratic Party has shifted to the right over the decades. Zero evidence. betsuni Jun 26 #94

Many good points herein. And while B.See Jun 26 #96

Why are we doing this? RandySF Jun 26 #101

While I personally am more aligned with DSA JBTaurus83 Jun 26 #103

I think it doesn't have to be one way or the other - why not have a diverse set of ideas? walkingman Jun 26 #110

Actually, We Have Failed to Do That in Two Recent, Crucial Elections. MineralMan Jun 26 #113

I'm for running candidates that fit their communities. BannonsLiver Jun 26 #115

ACA. But More To The Point: If You Think ANYONE, EVEN JESUS HIMSELF, Could Get Elected With..... ColoringFool Jun 26 #118

Way past time to tack left. marble falls Jun 26 #126

So the ACA has no benefit the average commoner? krawhitham Jun 26 #127

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 krawhitham Jun 26 #128

Since 1977 Dems have created 43,551,000 more jobs than GQP krawhitham Jun 26 #129

Not this again.... Etherealoc1 Jun 26 #131