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karynnj

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3. With due respect to the huge amount of diversity within today's
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 06:48 PM
Sunday

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party, I think it may be less extreme than in some earlier times.

Back in the 1950s until at least 1970, on almost any issue, there was not the sharp divide that exists now between the two parties. The Democratic party at least into the mid 1960s included both Dixiecrats and liberals. The Republican party also had liberals, such as Jacob Javits as well as extreme small government conservatives such as Barry Goldwater.

In recent times each party became more homogeneous and a wide difference between them developed.. Then you could say the Republicans had at least two game changing periods. The first was the sudden wave of the freedom caucus. This left many of the old money, small government Republicans very uncomfortable. The second was the wave of Trump Republicans. My guess is if you could have shown 1950s Republican Congressmen the 2024 Republican convention (like Dickens Christmas carol), they would not believe this was the Republican party future.

Ignoring the issue of Israel, I wonder if we can think of FDR as a midpoint, where there are people, once called the DLC or new Democrats to the right and Bernie and the DS to the left. It might be that the sweet spot is similar to FDR. To the DS, it is not all they think needed and to more centrist it could be as far as they can go.

Given the time, we need to push the debate on the economic issues. We need to more clearly explain how increasing economic inequality drives many of the problems. Our country worked better in the times when the top tier of income had less of the total assets. We are moving toward the profile of a third world nation, where a few have a lot and the majority have very little. The Trump taxes should be argued to have made that worse, the debt worse and is intended to starve the federal government, preventing programs to help people.

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we democrats have always been diverse. rampartd Sunday #1
Our system only really works with two parties. If the vote is split in the Democratic Party, Republicans win. waterwatcher123 Sunday #2
They really do seem to swing wildly. LeftInTX Sunday #8
Yes, I think it is pretty common if you look at voting behavior in the data. waterwatcher123 Sunday #12
That would be a great name for a 3rd party..... some_of_us_are_sane Monday #21
With due respect to the huge amount of diversity within today's karynnj Sunday #3
The nature of the government structure created by the Constitution seems to collapse parties into RockRaven Sunday #4
. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #5
I'd like to join the winning is all that matters party. BannonsLiver Sunday #6
Majority first, please! LeftInTX Sunday #9
Fundamental platform positions indicate no real schism to me Torchlight Sunday #7
There have always been many independents. Progressive dog Sunday #10
I'm by no means advocating Melon Sunday #11
And your conclusion? Torchlight Monday #13
I don't have a conclusion...thus the discussion Melon Monday #15
What point do you believe it the spectrum becomes an unworkable schism? Torchlight Monday #16
Maybe two ideas for any party politics. I'm sure Melon Monday #17
Far too vague a reponse for me to make heads or tails of. Torchlight Monday #20
Listen brother, I'm eating a burger and drinking a coke Melon Monday #22
Sounds serious Torchlight Monday #23
No. I believe the vast majority of the Democratic Party voters support the same policies. However Nanjeanne Monday #14
Are the R's close to that situation with Trump Melon Monday #18
I fear it's equivalent to the rights Tea Party movement of a decade ago forthemiddle Monday #19
I didn't know that. DSA actually endorses reasonable candidates around here: LeftInTX Monday #24
Thank you for the info. betsuni Monday #27
I had no idea..... Melon Monday #25
Here is there platform for 2026. Eko Monday #31
Division within the parties is nothing new. CrimsonBight Monday #26
In our 250 years, America has usually been a two-party gov't... Norrrm Monday #28
FDR managed to minimalize, then end, The Depression while fighting no_hypocrisy Monday #29
"the ticket stops representing most of their beliefs" J_William_Ryan Monday #30
No. Eko Monday #32
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