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hlthe2b

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44. Maybe, just maybe others are either less informed or actually MORE INFORMED on the issue

Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:16 PM

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as I have repeatedly posted. As my relative has tried to prosecute these cases (and failed) because the few states that have laws are most often civil--even California--and thus not clearly considered rape. Should it be? That is a different question that I'm not arguing. But the reality is (as some of the possibly more informed, and not less caring, less concerned DUers may know) is not prosecuted as sexual assault but rather a civil offense in most states. Those where a law may specifically allow for a serious sexual assualt prosecution rarely succeed as I have laid out direct from one who has tried.

This year, at least three states — Vermont, Texas, and Utah— are reportedly considering passing anti-stealthing legislation inspired by the California law, though none have made it to its respective governor's desk. Several more states have considered versions of the issue since 2017, though those previous bills have so far failed to gain the traction necessary to push through legislatures in Wisconsin, New York, New Jersey and Idaho, in part because there has been disagreement over whether "stealthing" rises to the level of rape and whether it's a civil or criminal offense. (It should be noted that the bill only passed in California after Garcia re-introduced it as a civil — not criminal — offense.)

Read More: https://www.women.com/1270289/yes-stealthing-is-sexual-assault-here-are-the-states-taking-action-against-it/

I put my feminism and support for sexual abuse/assault/harassment victims against anyone, but I am also educated on these issues, thanks to my own interest (including outside of medicine) into law from my extended family "legal community"--which is both extensive and diverse in terms of practice. I also do not denigrate other DUers who are not educated on the matter and conflate them (without other evidence to the contrary) as uncaring, misogynists, or anything else. The truth is this issue is complicated and many here may actually know THAT as well. Rape is something most fully appreciate. This is an emerging serious violative issue, but the law on it is not at all consistent, clear, or readily applied.

So, if my statement of the current state of facts is disturbing to you and you wish to call me out or "lose respect" for me. SO be it. I hope that is not the case, but truth is not always what we want to hear or read.

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I don't need to know more about this guy... lame54 Tuesday #1

I believe her. QueerDuck Tuesday #2

Also a crime in many states. RandySF Tuesday #3

Only if it is a clear violation of a consensual agreement--and then almost always ONLY if repercussions hlthe2b Tuesday #6

It is illegal in my state because it negates a woman's consent and it is treated as sexual assualt. 50 Shades Of Blue Tuesday #9

It is hard to prove. I have a close relative who lives in such a state-- and has tried to prosecute... hlthe2b Tuesday #13

Regardless, it's a crime. Plenty of crimes are hard to prove. 50 Shades Of Blue Tuesday #15

And given courts, juries, judges believe the defendent's claim of accident--sans a lot of other hlthe2b Tuesday #16

How many shitty behaviors does a guy get to get a pass on? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #28

EdmondDantes. You tell me we exactly where I have ever given him benefit-of-the-doubt? hlthe2b Tuesday #31

Here's the exact quote: EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #53

The intent (as you WELL know is to put emphasis on the rape allegations already made) hlthe2b Tuesday #54

Nothing would surprise me about him now. WinningAgain Tuesday #4

This is becoming gratuitous.. We get it.. He needs to go... hlthe2b Tuesday #5

This woman already talked about this months ago with the NYT obamanut2012 Tuesday #20

I have addressed this repeatedly in this and other posts... hlthe2b Tuesday #27

Platner is done MerryBlooms Tuesday #38

I fear the party powers-that-be are going to make everything even worse (if that is possible).. hlthe2b Tuesday #40

Mills was right of centrist MerryBlooms Tuesday #49

I take your opinion on Mills and the reasons for her rejection... hlthe2b Tuesday #51

TMI (too much information). Spare us the details Katinfl Tuesday #7

She is talking about him sexually assaulting her obamanut2012 Tuesday #22

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #8

Oh who cares about this? Are people really interested in these kinds of details? Nanjeanne Tuesday #10

Same here. Why do I need to hear about this. Polly Hennessey Tuesday #12

it's sexual assault, so it's okay if it happens all the time? obamanut2012 Tuesday #24

Even those few states that have developed (mostly civil statutes) fail to consider it rape hlthe2b Tuesday #36

Yes, it's sexual assault obamanut2012 Tuesday #23

In only a few states, no matter how you or I may feel about it. Please stop calling out DUers hlthe2b Tuesday #37

Ok I'm jumping out of semi retirement to address this JefilteFish Tuesday #52

I am downplaying nothing. Only that the emphasis on the rapes is enough to remove him hlthe2b Tuesday #55

You're carrying water for anyone who wants to dismiss JefilteFish Yesterday #56

You are being ridiculous and your accusations show you don't bother to read or hlthe2b Yesterday #57

That's downright galling and disgusting. no_hypocrisy Tuesday #11

I assume bathroom habits and personal grooming are next? NoMoreRepugs Tuesday #14

Why are you excusing rape??? THIS IS RAPE obamanut2012 Tuesday #25

I think it should be But those states with or considering stealthing statutes largely have not... hlthe2b Tuesday #35

What. The. Fuck? mcar Tuesday #33

He wanted 18 years of child support payments. milestogo Tuesday #17

I suspect it had more to do with MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #50

Thanks for this post. The subject line is clear about its content TommyT139 Tuesday #18

Thank you for the link. demmiblue Tuesday #21

Seriously, this is literally a form of rape obamanut2012 Tuesday #26

It's been eye-opening. demmiblue Tuesday #30

Maybe, just maybe others are either less informed or actually MORE INFORMED on the issue hlthe2b Tuesday #44

I'm not reading that again -- I am educated on this obamanut2012 16 hrs ago #60

Honestly, I thought (like others) it was more universally outlawed. TommyT139 Tuesday #29

Especially with the downfall of Roe, and the attack on women's reproductive healthcare.n/t demmiblue Tuesday #32

Yeah, it's a way to control and baby trap women obamanut2012 Tuesday #41

I think many do. But there is a lot of misinformation and conflation on this issue and hlthe2b Tuesday #39

Except this is more proof of rape obamanut2012 Tuesday #42

It can be. As I posted earlier... hlthe2b Tuesday #46

No, stealthing is a form of rape obamanut2012 16 hrs ago #61

You and I believe so-- along with most women. The law has NOT caught up and we need to hlthe2b 15 hrs ago #62

Stealthing is rape obamanut2012 Tuesday #19

It is no wonder women feel there's no point in reporting sexual assaults sarisataka Tuesday #34

Thank you obamanut2012 Tuesday #43

So he sexually assaulted her. Jirel Tuesday #45

Yes, when consensual sex turns into rape, it's rape. Iggo Tuesday #48

I've already heard enough about this guy. Iggo Tuesday #47

This woman was previously discredited as a right-wing partisan Shrek Yesterday #58

No, she wasn't obamanut2012 16 hrs ago #59