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W_HAMILTON

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8. I'm glad you noted "stand for" progress and change.

Thu Jul 9, 2026, 10:43 AM

16 hrs ago

Because -- at least when it comes to federal elections -- there is a sizable contingent of my fellow progressives that claim they want progress and change but will then, say, sit out an election and help a fascist like Trump get elected.

That is the exact antithesis to progress, change, and what it means to be an actual progressive. No real progressive would allow so much hardzfought progress to be rolled back like has been done over the past decade.

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What is the difference between a progressive and a liberal? [View all] Walleye 16 hrs ago OP

liberals occasionally justaprogressive 16 hrs ago #1

That's my impression. So I guess that makes him part of the "establishment" Walleye 16 hrs ago #11

Historically, by the Progressive Era bucolic_frolic 16 hrs ago #2

Both do both paleotn 16 hrs ago #5

Can't entirely agree or disagree bucolic_frolic 16 hrs ago #7

You couldn't slide piece of paper through the difference paleotn 16 hrs ago #3

Agree. It's lost all meaning. BannonsLiver 15 hrs ago #26

Progressives stand for progress and change Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #4

I'm glad you noted "stand for" progress and change. W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #8

Well, I was referring to progressive politicians specifically, not voters Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #14

Yes, it is standing up for one's values. W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #19

Like I said, a debateable strategy Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #25

It's your civic duty to vote. It's either or. Walleye 12 hrs ago #43

I agree casting a ballot should be mandatory Fiendish Thingy 12 hrs ago #46

I get the feeling that the purpose of elections, to determine the will of the people, is being buried somehow Walleye 12 hrs ago #51

I'm sure someone will chime in with some intricate delineation... W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #6

This is what I think, too. CrispyQ 15 hrs ago #16

I think in this particular election being against Trump is enough Walleye 12 hrs ago #44

Some are hip buzzwords Keepthesoulalive 12 hrs ago #52

lets divide progressives. rampartd 16 hrs ago #9

simple Whip-poor-will 16 hrs ago #10

Liberals are more about individual freedom; progressives want to build new structures muriel_volestrangler 16 hrs ago #12

This Progressive is so far left of left... ZDU 16 hrs ago #13

Thank you to everyone who answered. It's all very interesting. Walleye 15 hrs ago #15

Agree - whether people like it or not we have a two party system in America. walkingman 15 hrs ago #18

The two party system is a huge part of the problem. The Madcap 14 hrs ago #31

I do wish we has a parliamentary system. I also wish we were a democracy instead of a democratic republic walkingman 14 hrs ago #36

Joe Biden managed to get some bipartisan legislation passed Walleye 12 hrs ago #45

And if they don't like the two party system, they can feel free to think of it as 100+ million party system. W_HAMILTON 13 hrs ago #37

The word "Liberal" has numerous meanings and different usages. LeftInTX 14 hrs ago #28

I personally think withholding votes, is a shade of "anarchism" LeftInTX 14 hrs ago #34

There are many people who feel the same way we do politically, but they refuse to participate. I don't know what Walleye 12 hrs ago #47

The way I look at it is this.... walkingman 15 hrs ago #17

I described myself as a proud Democrat Walleye 15 hrs ago #24

I'm a "big tent Democrat" LeftInTX 14 hrs ago #33

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I have always identified myself as a liberal for one very simple reason Peacetrain 15 hrs ago #21

I'm a liberal and proud of it. Raftergirl 15 hrs ago #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie_Seagull 15 hrs ago #23

Incrementalists within the system vs. Reformers who think the system is broken Sympthsical 14 hrs ago #27

Progressives are Liberals Progressive dog 14 hrs ago #29

A sliver. RandySF 14 hrs ago #30

Progressives are more idealistic, less pragmatic... BH liberal 14 hrs ago #32

What is the benefit of this question? We all need each other.... legallyblondeNYC 14 hrs ago #35

Progressives tend to work towards a group goal. haele 13 hrs ago #38

Redefined: progressive (anti-establishment, working class, good) liberal (establishment, elite, not progressive, evil). betsuni 12 hrs ago #39

In recent years, Progressives work for progress, 31j20b3 12 hrs ago #40

They used to be called blue dog Democrats and were mostly southern. Raftergirl 12 hrs ago #48

Yes, I was just going to remark on that. In Delaware we had a very liberal Republican governor. But those days are gone Walleye 12 hrs ago #50

Lincoln Chaffee was another one. He eventually left the R party and became a D. Raftergirl 12 hrs ago #53

So did the governor I mentioned. Governor Peterson. Walleye 12 hrs ago #54

Liberals support liberty. Progressives support progress. meadowlander 12 hrs ago #41

Imo, a progressive is someone who is afraid of the word liberal. ananda 12 hrs ago #42

That is my general impression Walleye 12 hrs ago #49

there is no difference mike_c 11 hrs ago #55

I don't think there is an equivalent in the Republican party Walleye 11 hrs ago #56

Liberals are center-left and progressives are left many a good man 10 hrs ago #57

Well said! BH liberal 7 hrs ago #58