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In reply to the discussion: In 2016, I will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, completely and without reservation, [View all]riqster
(13,986 posts)30. I would say there is another alternative:
Using your vote to prevent greater harm. If you choose not to do so, you enable that greater harm: or, at least, do nothing to stop it from happening.
From your statements in this exchange, it sounds as though your decision tree is very narrowly focused on yourself, your ideology, and how you will feel about your vote.
My decision tree has more branches than that. I would LIKE a candidate who represents my interests, but I will settle for one that can at least not increase the devastation caused by the "Republican Party".
Here's another stat: 8 votes. That is how many votes it took last election to turn Ohio into a completely one-party state, where the Reeps are running wild, starving the poor, oppressing the women, fattening the rich and destroying the environment.
The whole "no difference, no choice" canard falls apart: because, you see, it WAS DIFFERENT when the Dems could at least slow the Reeps down. Now, it's ALEC, Koch and Co. with no brakes on the train. It is worse when the Reeps can do whatever they damned well wish.
It IS WORSE now than it was before. Quantitatively. And it is worse because a mere 8 voters didn't cast a ballot for a single Dem in a single State House district.
Had eight people dragged themselves to the polls and voted for a Dem, much harm could have been averted. But they didn't. So now poor people are being harmed. Women are being harmed. Disabled people are being harmed.
And they are being harmed because people like you said what you say, and acted as you propose we act.
But hey, don't let the cries of hungry children, the groans of the elderly, or the cries of women dying because they lost their health care to a one-party Reep government disturb you in your tower of purity. Because what matters the suffering of the people when you have made that ever-so-pure choice?
From your statements in this exchange, it sounds as though your decision tree is very narrowly focused on yourself, your ideology, and how you will feel about your vote.
My decision tree has more branches than that. I would LIKE a candidate who represents my interests, but I will settle for one that can at least not increase the devastation caused by the "Republican Party".
Here's another stat: 8 votes. That is how many votes it took last election to turn Ohio into a completely one-party state, where the Reeps are running wild, starving the poor, oppressing the women, fattening the rich and destroying the environment.
The whole "no difference, no choice" canard falls apart: because, you see, it WAS DIFFERENT when the Dems could at least slow the Reeps down. Now, it's ALEC, Koch and Co. with no brakes on the train. It is worse when the Reeps can do whatever they damned well wish.
It IS WORSE now than it was before. Quantitatively. And it is worse because a mere 8 voters didn't cast a ballot for a single Dem in a single State House district.
Had eight people dragged themselves to the polls and voted for a Dem, much harm could have been averted. But they didn't. So now poor people are being harmed. Women are being harmed. Disabled people are being harmed.
And they are being harmed because people like you said what you say, and acted as you propose we act.
But hey, don't let the cries of hungry children, the groans of the elderly, or the cries of women dying because they lost their health care to a one-party Reep government disturb you in your tower of purity. Because what matters the suffering of the people when you have made that ever-so-pure choice?
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In 2016, I will support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, completely and without reservation, [View all]
LaydeeBug
Jul 2013
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the D's or the R's are not the same and usually the ones saying that are not Democrats.
TeamPooka
Jul 2013
#65
Exactly. The republican base fights to get the most conservative candidate. We can fight for
pampango
Jul 2013
#61
luckily I'm not a Democratic Party memeber, so I don't have to swear a blood oath.
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#20
Agreed. Not voting is just as effective in influencing politicians as voting is.
Fantastic Anarchist
Jul 2013
#57
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may may cherish the sweetest reflection
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#15
I'll support the democratic nominee if the democratic nominee is a liberal.
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#19
Vote Progressive in the primaries, vote Democratic in the general election.
DinahMoeHum
Jul 2013
#28
If Cheney declares himself to be a Democrat (D) and is nominated, would you support him?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#39
"because not doing so would make something much, much worse inevitable." That was the reason we
jtuck004
Jul 2013
#44
In a democracy, it's better that the politicians respond to the demands of the electorate
Maedhros
Jul 2013
#76
I was threatened with rape upthread for holding the same position as yours.
Fantastic Anarchist
Jul 2013
#60
+1. They've become consumed with a libertarian agenda. Meanwhile, the shit that's happening...
Tarheel_Dem
Jul 2013
#77
this is why the Democrats can ignore their base and the Republicans have to appease their base
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#81
that's okay I'm gone. I am done with the abuse. I have joined my husband in being an independent.
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#102