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551. I remember once upon a time when I

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:05 PM

Dec 2013

Was young I got a dwi. Since I had never been in any real trouble otherwise I was allowed to go into a diversion program. The diversion program allowed people to do an alcohol treatment program in lieu of jail. Part of that program involved a three day Thursday through Sunday mandatory stay at the school where the program was held. Anyway, I will always remember one speaker in particular. He said I can't look at any of you and tell you that you are an alcoholic. But I can tell you this. If enough people start telling you that you are a monkey you had better turn around and see if you have a tail. Seems a certain element of the Hof crowd can't relate to that. That group is 5% Hof 95% disruptive flame bait. Thankfully I found that you can trash a group, it helps. But the hate seems to find away into any conversation.

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Are the Feminist / MRA Argument Threads a means to "Divide and Conquer" DU - POLL [View all] FreakinDJ Dec 2013 OP

No, I think liberals truly disagree treestar Dec 2013 #1

You think its really about "Getting Laid" FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #4

It's odd how much mature wisdom sometimes resembles being too tired to bother Fumesucker Dec 2013 #10

Yeah, exactly. Quantess Dec 2013 #205

Relating to actual human beings in a meaningful way is like that. PassingFair Dec 2013 #33

Kodachrome... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #201

FFS NoOneMan Dec 2013 #5

+100.5 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #58

Well that is what I think MRA types usually are treestar Dec 2013 #74

And that's what you honestly feel is going on here on DU? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #76

Absolute Rubbish. MicaelS Dec 2013 #100

i do not believe that to be true. too often i have a good conversation, whether agreement or not is seabeyond Dec 2013 #106

Is there really such tremendous desperation out there to get laid? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2013 #189

Sorry, Tree, my girlfriends are smoking hot, highly sexual and liberal. They are also polite, kind, grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #195

Can you describe what the difference is between competing in a feminine way vs. PassingFair Dec 2013 #355

they were summer dresses as opposed to office suits? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #356

Ahhh...we forgot the SUNDRESSES! PassingFair Dec 2013 #360

your laugh is infectious. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #369

Sure grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #576

Because clearly, this is a realistic example. PassingFair Dec 2013 #578

Masculinity and femininity are socially constructed ideals that should be deconstructed. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #417

hey... seabeyond Dec 2013 #424

I thought they were biological. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #575

Nope. Social constructs. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #579

Feminist thought has a place on a liberal/Democratic message board... demmiblue Dec 2013 #2

I seek truth - don't exclude any honest, truthfull discussion FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #7

What IS MRA ideology? sibelian Dec 2013 #8

Denying that you become enraged if a woman decides not to sleep with you NoOneMan Dec 2013 #9

The hostility is just pouring out of your post. demmiblue Dec 2013 #16

Many feminists have a bizarre concept of what everyone else thinks NoOneMan Dec 2013 #18

Um, I would venture to guess that DU consists of an overwhelming majority of feminists... demmiblue Dec 2013 #27

No, not overwhelming, in that no man can be a feminist NoOneMan Dec 2013 #29

Yes, overwhelming. demmiblue Dec 2013 #39

No. NO man can be a feminist. The feminists movement entirely excludes men NoOneMan Dec 2013 #43

Please. bb is not the authority on The Feminist Movement. redqueen Dec 2013 #47

"The FACT is, most men on DU support feminist goals." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #60

A few vocal men ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #285

So despite men here saying they support feminist goals, polly7 Dec 2013 #290

I think you misread ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #316

"there are a few very vocal men denying rape culture, male privilege" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #318

Yes there are ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #325

No, I'm not up to the "challenge" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #328

I did really think you were ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #335

What issue? What side? What side do you think I am on? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #341

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #349

Its hard to take the high road and be insulting at the same time, isn't it? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #350

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #364

. Squinch Dec 2013 #430

I'm not!? boston bean Dec 2013 #136

You might want to explain that to the 17 people who recommended the thread. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #358

Wow, 17 whole DUers agreed? Well hell, we should send a memo to the millions of other feminists redqueen Dec 2013 #370

LOL.. boston bean Dec 2013 #389

again lumberjack it was a thread of discussion, done in respect. not something to hide, seabeyond Dec 2013 #376

The belief that men can't be feminists is a legitimate viewpoint, and is obviously widely held. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #466

Not clicking your link, because it is more than likely shit-stirring for the sake of shit-stirring. demmiblue Dec 2013 #48

No, its actually quite relevant NoOneMan Dec 2013 #53

Still didn't read it. demmiblue Dec 2013 #62

Don't tell me what I have by guessing. If I did the same to the HOFers, they'll jump all over my... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #67

Well, at least you admit that you are a patriarchal, authoritative ass. demmiblue Dec 2013 #81

Cheers for the sarcasm inept NoOneMan Dec 2013 #84

Go sulk in the corner and suck your thumb because I won't... demmiblue Dec 2013 #89

Funny. Puglover Dec 2013 #94

he thinks it is a gotcha moment. i actually think it is a very good conversation about seabeyond Dec 2013 #167

You should have clicked it before you said it 'more than likely shit-stirring for the sake of sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #185

YES men can be feminists. Are you from the past? Matariki Dec 2013 #69

The HOFers exclude all men as feminists. Am I to dismiss this as bullshit? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #71

What is a HOFer? And what are you talking about? Matariki Dec 2013 #75

History of Feminism NoOneMan Dec 2013 #83

Thanks for the link Matariki Dec 2013 #90

No, I am not hostile to women NoOneMan Dec 2013 #93

I didn't say you were. I said that some of your posts come off that way. Matariki Dec 2013 #121

"then I extricate myself from the conversation" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #126

when most all of your posts have to include a diss against hof, even though you did not specifically seabeyond Dec 2013 #142

+1,000,000 I tried to read the last few days "feminist" post and have come to the conclusion Drew Richards Dec 2013 #226

if you will look at the very long discussion we had in the thread, you will see a lot of respect, seabeyond Dec 2013 #105

No, they don't. kcr Dec 2013 #204

Huh? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #438

I provided a link above.... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #444

Derp, just saw that. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #446

I'm not even sure how to measure footing in the fight towards equality... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #451

It's about privilege. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #454

The self-appointed leaders on DU are doing a bang-up job NoOneMan Dec 2013 #456

quit. just quit. this is your crap. this is a discussion board. no leaders. NONE. quit that seabeyond Dec 2013 #462

Jury results! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #482

i had that sent to me in pm. one person will not be alerting on my posts for a day..... seabeyond Dec 2013 #485

we value mens voice in hof. that was a challenging thread to have seabeyond Dec 2013 #458

It's true that there are many reasons to recommend a thread. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #487

Jury: Agreed that this is feminist-bashing. Having read several other posts by this person .. Coyotl Dec 2013 #95

Thnx. I qualified the statement. It was a hasty generalization. NoOneMan Dec 2013 #101

i do not believe we are nasty to people. i am sorry you feel that way and feel the need to seabeyond Dec 2013 #107

And there you go again! Coyotl Dec 2013 #323

Well, just so he knows - I'm a feminist, and so happy to be one! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2013 #192

And some people have a bizarre concept of what feminists think. Coyotl Dec 2013 #98

Ya. True. I guess we could get a little clarity if we all strove towards civility and understanding NoOneMan Dec 2013 #104

The Tone Argument has nothing to do with "MRA types" redqueen Dec 2013 #116

Consider Occam's Razor. Maybe people think you are just being utterly rude and nasty NoOneMan Dec 2013 #119

I didn't make the term up. redqueen Dec 2013 #130

"that pretty much says all that needs to be said" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #138

I posted the Indian PSA, there was no insulting content. redqueen Dec 2013 #144

yes. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #147

a PSA made in india addressing what they feel is a very real issue is "insulting"? seabeyond Dec 2013 #164

Did I reference that thread anywhere? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #312

she was specific and you dismissed. when just putting soemthing up with nothing and being called as seabeyond Dec 2013 #330

"that you were in the middle of" NoOneMan Dec 2013 #332

whatever noneman. you are throwing out accusations and we are suppose to seabeyond Dec 2013 #337

I remember once upon a time when I Soundman Dec 2013 #551

+1000 n/t TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #371

O, Rly? opiate69 Dec 2013 #170

Thanks for the link! Squinch Dec 2013 #440

Damn...someone just drips hostility Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #20

Interesting NoOneMan Dec 2013 #25

Really? People are noting all the threads you don't rec? cui bono Dec 2013 #28

No, it's because you're too resenful to realize and accept that women's issues are HUMAN issues whathehell Dec 2013 #160

What does a vaginal knitting thread have to do with this? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2013 #188

On DU, MRA is apparently defined as a man not agreeing with a certain group of women. RC Dec 2013 #45

MRA is short for what? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #55

"MRA" means "men's rights activist." RC Dec 2013 #59

Thanks! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #64

+1000 nt rrneck Dec 2013 #127

Human rights are what Feminism is all about. It does NOT exclude men! CTyankee Dec 2013 #151

We are on DU. RC Dec 2013 #157

I believe that Feminism is much more inclusive than that. CTyankee Dec 2013 #159

Actual Feminism, yes, DU's brand, by the select group of suspects here, not so much. RC Dec 2013 #168

why must you always insult us in every single one of your posts? seabeyond Dec 2013 #173

RC, referring to people as "suspects" is never a good idea if you wish to sell your idea. CTyankee Dec 2013 #177

Are you volunteering to be one of the usual suspects? RC Dec 2013 #222

this one, a PSA from india. that 130 recommended. and many voices. is your issue. not a handful. seabeyond Dec 2013 #232

Wait, you didn't see her as a suspect before, but now you are starting to see one? boston bean Dec 2013 #248

Way to twist things around there. RC Dec 2013 #259

Oh good to know. Are you being serious, you got a list? boston bean Dec 2013 #262

Yep and I have checked it several times and haven't had to up date for quite sometime. RC Dec 2013 #266

Who are you santa clause? LOL boston bean Dec 2013 #272

For some people, yes. RC Dec 2013 #297

Ya know what, RC? I'm done. I'm good. CTyankee Dec 2013 #308

One letter shy of "NRA." Talking Points, too! One acronym, many self-packaged slurs. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #213

Anyone gonna answer this? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #216

sure seabeyond Dec 2013 #243

Seems pretty obvious to me. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #13

Well, it isn't to me... sibelian Dec 2013 #23

No sh*t! etherealtruth Dec 2013 #172

+1 Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2013 #253

"Runs the gamete?" Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #3

Second that! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #225

Hm. sibelian Dec 2013 #6

There is no MRA group here. polly7 Dec 2013 #11

Aren't women's rights a foundation of the Democratic Party? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #12

Agreed FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #15

They're not mutually exclusive. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #19

Exactly. cui bono Dec 2013 #22

How about 25% of men in prison are Raped FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #30

It's an issue. Feel free to go start a thread about it. n/t cui bono Dec 2013 #35

As I recall, sea and I were among the first to start calling out statements redqueen Dec 2013 #41

I certainly don't paint you as a disruptor FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #51

Here, this says most of what needs to be said on these issues much better than I could Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #50

I think the commonality of "False Acqusations" during Divorce Proceedings FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #57

What commonality of false allegations? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #86

Wow. sibelian Dec 2013 #61

That is definitely an issue Matariki Dec 2013 #82

Male rape is a result of rape culture. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #96

Jesus fucking H Christ. sibelian Dec 2013 #108

Rape culture isn't just about women gollygee Dec 2013 #114

"Rape culture" seems to be about whatever anyone says its about. sibelian Dec 2013 #158

When did I say that? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #149

No, it fucking doesn't. sibelian Dec 2013 #174

Alright, I see what you mean. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #193

how about sexual brutality? Just a thought. It might get more play across the sexes and economic Drew Richards Dec 2013 #234

Sexual brutality is the act. Rape culture is the societal attitudes and practices Squinch Dec 2013 #452

I know what *I* call it. sibelian Dec 2013 #473

Ah, I get what you're saying. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #478

I stand humbled those two defining adjectives are the best way to describe it hands down. Drew Richards Dec 2013 #491

If it's deviating from the image of men kcr Dec 2013 #492

I think that Nuclear Dem was saying that rape is about rape, and no one should be raped. Squinch Dec 2013 #450

Not only that... DisgustedCynic Dec 2013 #542

women probably started the movement on this issue. i know on du, us feminists are the ones that seabeyond Dec 2013 #109

Well to be fair, polly7 Dec 2013 #113

you would be wrong. not from the start. though, many did come on board, in time. seabeyond Dec 2013 #115

Well I'm positive you didn't read every post then, because I saw and participated in, polly7 Dec 2013 #120

ya. pretty sure it was redq and i. a new concept that had to be accepted. seabeyond Dec 2013 #123

Na ...... it was a lot more people than you and redqueen way back then, right from the start. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #124

I only said we were among the first. redqueen Dec 2013 #133

Agreed, this issue goes back to DU 1 and 2 maddezmom Dec 2013 #122

That's exactly how I remember it. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #125

YES! The Feminist men in my family and my life know this and they love and respect the feminist CTyankee Dec 2013 #91

How are issues important to men, liberal issues of course, being excluded? cui bono Dec 2013 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #247

I have been trashcanning them and Duck Dynasty threads. n/t PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #14

"Fringe groups"? "Democrat"? Is this thread meant to divide and conquer? cui bono Dec 2013 #17

In terms of the average voter - How do you think that "Ranks" for a vote deciding issue FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #24

What does that have to do with what I posted? Whether or not something is a voting issue does not cui bono Dec 2013 #34

Should the world revolve around sexism and women's issues FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #37

Are DUers only able to discuss one issue at a time? cui bono Dec 2013 #38

People did ask LGBT and black posters that question, often, during the primaries. redqueen Dec 2013 #42

*sigh* It's a wonder anyone actually thinks DU is a liberal board. cui bono Dec 2013 #44

Its only "Human Nature" that 1 issue be more important to you FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #72

Again you post something that has nothing at all to do with what I said. cui bono Dec 2013 #180

You hit it on the head here. "fringe" my ass. bettyellen Dec 2013 #214

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 BainsBane Dec 2013 #165

Your subject line is screwing up the thread view pintobean Dec 2013 #171

The "right side" you say? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #236

This message was self-deleted by its author tammywammy Dec 2013 #386

The problem is when violence is conflated with looking at a girl who is dressed to kill. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #217

so the way she dresses has to do with how she is treated? seabeyond Dec 2013 #252

I think this "MRA" is largely a bogeyman. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #26

Me too NoOneMan Dec 2013 #31

The National Coalition for Men (ncfm.org) ranks #1,293,376 on Alexa. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #46

Bwaa-ha-ha!! Drag those troglodytes into the light of day! Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #260

Wait, what?? TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #380

I'm sorry, I meant Morlocks... Morlocks. That's it. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #415

... TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #464

It's a growing movement, and they are dangerous. redqueen Dec 2013 #56

How are they dangerous? sibelian Dec 2013 #85

The articles at the links contain a lot of information about that. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #99

OMG! 232 viewers on Reddit! Man, er, staff, the barricades! Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #210

Read the articles. These men are changing laws. redqueen Dec 2013 #245

Half of those 200 some-odd are probably from here, looking for "material" to be outraged about. MADem Dec 2013 #377

Well said MADem maddezmom Dec 2013 #395

are we feminists allowed to address the man we should speak femininely and wear sundresses, seabeyond Dec 2013 #443

Sure you can maddezmom Dec 2013 #447

Between the first women's right's convention and women getting the vote, there Squinch Dec 2013 #459

Sure does, but I have seen the same battles on DU for about 10 years maddezmom Dec 2013 #463

I've been on DU since 2001 kcr Dec 2013 #477

Well am I a feminist and I agree maddezmom Dec 2013 #479

I'm sorry you were treated badly by another feminist kcr Dec 2013 #481

yes. i do believe that staying silent in sexism only allows it to grow. and yes, i will seabeyond Dec 2013 #460

Sorry sea but you have called women/fellow feminists because we haven't joined in certain threads maddezmom Dec 2013 #468

i am not gonna argue or try to defend such a general statement but i can absolutely agree with the seabeyond Dec 2013 #470

So following DU's Community Standards Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #461

wtf.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #465

Do you think that's what she was saying? kcr Dec 2013 #474

Having trouble following the subject? Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #494

I'm having no trouble at all. kcr Dec 2013 #500

So you think certain feminists are exempt from Community Standards? Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #506

I'm not following how thinking women should be able to wear what they want kcr Dec 2013 #508

Lol! Sure. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #510

I guess the idea that women should be able to dress as they please kcr Dec 2013 #512

Why Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #519

See my edit. n/t kcr Dec 2013 #520

Did you read the articles I linked? This isn't about "bad behavior", but about changing laws. redqueen Dec 2013 #439

Until today, I didn't realize "MRA" was not a formal organization... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #244

It is entirely a bogeyman lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #361

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Dec 2013 #375

I don't think it's a matter of divide and conquer. mokawanis Dec 2013 #32

I think there are a few trolls up in there, having a great time. MADem Dec 2013 #36

The poll doesn't match the question asked hootinholler Dec 2013 #40

'Gender issues' are counterproductive. Vox Moi Dec 2013 #49

Disagree on equal pay JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #161

I ended up hiding those forums liberalmuse Dec 2013 #52

I did that yesterday. Front page looks much better once again! NoOneMan Dec 2013 #73

Are the threads on LGBT issues meant to divide and conquer? BainsBane Dec 2013 #54

I don't think the OP ever mentioned the word 'Trivial' Raine1967 Dec 2013 #134

The subtext is clear BainsBane Dec 2013 #153

I've noticed that ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #301

Did you see post #78? redqueen Dec 2013 #156

Yes, I did. and you bet there is room for interpretation. Raine1967 Dec 2013 #237

Did I SAY it was "all about women"? He's saying feminist topics should be banned from GD. redqueen Dec 2013 #250

he's also saying something else. Raine1967 Dec 2013 #261

On slow news days these threads are more common. Laelth Dec 2013 #63

I find it really unfortunate that any progressives think women's issues are 'fringe' Matariki Dec 2013 #65

Feels like a no win situation to me libodem Dec 2013 #66

Well said, libodem. polly7 Dec 2013 #79

And thus divisive libodem Dec 2013 #117

It's impossible to know who the trolls are and who the genuine posters are. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #128

Yes libodem Dec 2013 #140

I don't really understand the agenda either of demonizing progressives polly7 Dec 2013 #137

wouldnt it be nice that ALL agree. unfortantely that has not been the case. we see it in abortion, seabeyond Dec 2013 #148

Very good points, polly7 libodem Dec 2013 #169

No, but I find I'm able to cover everything I enjoy posting about regarding injustices polly7 Dec 2013 #279

It's not my narrative either libodem. When you look around the globe at liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #118

Well said. rrneck Dec 2013 #139

If you disagree with some here you're just a pathetic "eager female cohort" to the men. tammywammy Dec 2013 #154

Dogs, pathetic creatures who live for the attention of men, MRA cheerleaders, polly7 Dec 2013 #162

Well, pat me on the head libodem Dec 2013 #166

It became clear a long time ago LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #514

Sadly I don't think there will ever be actual discussion on these topics on DU. n/t tammywammy Dec 2013 #516

Sadly, I suspect you're right n/t LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #517

My goodness. Thank you for your display of guts. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #255

guts? she expressed her opinion. no one said a word. lol. it is as it should be. lmfao seabeyond Dec 2013 #258

Yes, but due to the tone of them, not the issues nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #68

I'm sorry, you're spouting MRA garbage. I know, cause I read it in the HOF. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #135

Since I studiously avoid both groups, nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #294

Consensus achieved. I say keep all feminism/MRA Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #70

AGREED - if they want a "Playground to sling mud in" FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #78

Every time you fix a private sandbox rrneck Dec 2013 #141

good it will keep them busy... Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #342

Sandbox! Sandbox! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #289

Concur. (n/t) Shandris Dec 2013 #129

so, we exclude womens issues on a progressive board? that is odd. how about class issues?, racisim seabeyond Dec 2013 #150

It is exactly for this reason that I concur. Shandris Dec 2013 #175

this was the post you concured with. i do not know what i did wrong in interpretating you agreed seabeyond Dec 2013 #178

Perhaps you are thinking of 'board' in a different manner than I did... Shandris Dec 2013 #182

feminists actually think that feminist issue are issues about women. but, thank you. i may have seabeyond Dec 2013 #184

No problems, it's very easy for us to both get confused on a medium... Shandris Dec 2013 #190

conversation. i do love. really, lol. PSA from india. that would be a subject some may see seabeyond Dec 2013 #198

I would definitely not want to be the one who had to make the decision... Shandris Dec 2013 #219

lol... seabeyond Dec 2013 #249

No kidding. This is f***ing embarrassing LittleBlue Dec 2013 #132

Why? Why not allow feminism discussion in GD? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #197

No. It bothers me some use it to browbeat others over Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #220

back.... and ya. some of use see the harm in giving "a woman scorned" because we understand how seabeyond Dec 2013 #257

No one told you you couldn't speak out about it! polly7 Dec 2013 #268

I do protect your right to speak out as you've seen. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #339

You do have the right to speak out, Seabeyond... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #546

that would be a given seabeyond Dec 2013 #554

No, she was flagged because she was being alert stalked. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #283

That's not true Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #333

People see the alerts. They don't have to know who alerts to know they're bs alerts. kcr Dec 2013 #527

I saw them and understand why each and every one was hidden.... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #529

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. kcr Dec 2013 #530

We'll have to agree to disagree... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #537

That might be part of it kcr Dec 2013 #539

Why not allow I/P or Gun Issues in GD? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #362

Good question.... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #531

Really Violet? Sincerely, you think feminist issues ought not be posted in GD? boston bean Dec 2013 #549

Sorry, I meant to add a clarfication to my post yesterday... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #596

They end up being divisive because DU is too big tent. kcr Dec 2013 #535

This is what I learned on DU NobodyHere Dec 2013 #77

I'll venture your still young FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #80

What? redqueen Dec 2013 #145

When is it OK to look at a sexy woman, and telegraph that you want her? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #292

Staring is always rude. Whether at a woman, or anyone else. redqueen Dec 2013 #299

"hitting on people should be a rarity, that time when all the planets align." Seriously? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #556

Seriously? Lovers already know each other, obviously, so that's completely unrelated to this issue. redqueen Dec 2013 #581

I guess it's OK if she's wearing a sundress but don't stare at any of those masculine women in suits PassingFair Dec 2013 #431

he also believes we should not creep shame. he had an op on the subject. seabeyond Dec 2013 #434

OMG I live in Hollywood, it happens everyday. I actually find it flattering. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #557

ahhh, the shallowness of hollywood, lol. that just explains so much. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #560

Here's a good primer. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #457

Not bad, but I have asked some women what they were listening to on their mobile device and its led grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #561

What the hell did you THINK you'd learn? PassingFair Dec 2013 #374

you are doing it again. seabeyond Dec 2013 #381

Good in theory, but sometimes there is a loneliness that only love can fill. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #565

Why so many posts complaining of the existence of this debate? treestar Dec 2013 #87

I don't see too much "Discussing" in those threads FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #92

That's the most revealing part of all this. redqueen Dec 2013 #112

Everyone has their own "very important" issues in the party. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #88

No one knows how it started klook Dec 2013 #97

Yes, but it's not a distraction. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #102

Like this thread? retread Dec 2013 #103

exactly. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #111

Those threads divided and conquered DU for a few days before and during Christmas. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #110

feminist issues should be of interest to democrats A Little Weird Dec 2013 #131

This poll presumes that all we should be talking about here is the 2014 midterms. DanTex Dec 2013 #143

AND, gender issues are sure to be a VERY important part of the 2014 election Squinch Dec 2013 #467

I cannot imagine how to "divide and conquer" a website as fractured as DU Demeter Dec 2013 #146

This is just unfreakin believable. boston bean Dec 2013 #152

I haven't been around much... one_voice Dec 2013 #411

Because the Democratic Party should only consider issues of importance BainsBane Dec 2013 #155

See Gamete run ... GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #163

While I think they CAN be divisive ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #176

This whole debate arises out of a mutual confusion Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #179

please point out where a single post from junior or otherwise feminist uses all men in anything. seabeyond Dec 2013 #181

The point of my post was not to find examles on DU Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #191

i am sorry. personal ownership is important to me. as is truth. the foundation of what i post. seabeyond Dec 2013 #202

It's not a personal ownership, seabeyond. Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #206

thank you. i can easily keep my eyes open to any feminist suggesting it is all men, at any time, seabeyond Dec 2013 #212

Thanks! That's it exactly, IMO. I think feminism without femininity breeds patriarchy, as it puts grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #223

Competition IS the terms of the masculine ethos Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #235

That's why radical feminists focus on patriarchy as the source. redqueen Dec 2013 #280

You don't see the reverse as true? Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #305

Biological determinism only goes so far, though. redqueen Dec 2013 #321

sorry but that is a generalization and a stereotype. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #238

How does femininity relate to feminism? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #240

Some women enjoy wearing business suits. There is nothing liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #256

Radical feminism seeks to end the ridiculous concept of "femininity". redqueen Dec 2013 #284

feminism without femininity? how a woman dresses? just eeew. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #254

But we're the problem on DU. kcr Dec 2013 #264

yup. and dare to say eeeew, to a man that demands women be his version of feminine to be heard. seabeyond Dec 2013 #265

But we just want to divide DU kcr Dec 2013 #282

they ignore them? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #288

Or they actually agree with them kcr Dec 2013 #291

Who is 'them' polly7 Dec 2013 #293

Who is them? kcr Dec 2013 #296

Bullshit! polly7 Dec 2013 #300

I didn't say you did. kcr Dec 2013 #304

I didn't ask you what a humanist was, and obviously you don't have a clue. polly7 Dec 2013 #307

Pardon me. You asked me what was wrong with being a humanist. kcr Dec 2013 #311

As didn't anyone else here. I guess whatever point you were thinking you made was polly7 Dec 2013 #314

i am sorry. i get i have nothing to do with any of this. but i am sorry. seabeyond Dec 2013 #336

Really? polly7 Dec 2013 #340

Eh. It's the internet kcr Dec 2013 #347

Good. Glad to see you got out that mirror. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #378

I know. It's only the feminists who get nasty. n/t kcr Dec 2013 #382

Aw. there's that old switcheroo again! polly7 Dec 2013 #388

Or you could claim someone's making things up kcr Dec 2013 #390

Well yeah, I did just claim it. Because it's true. Your posts are STILL here. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #393

Or, maybe, when discussing things on DU kcr Dec 2013 #399

Jeebus, calm down. polly7 Dec 2013 #403

Jeebus, calm down.... seriously? you are suggesting kcr calm down as you have reamed her thru out seabeyond Dec 2013 #410

I've 'reamed her'!!! polly7 Dec 2013 #419

yes!!!!! seabeyond Dec 2013 #425

Proud of all that are you? polly7 Dec 2013 #426

I've 'reamed her'!!! yes!!!!! you really do not get it when i say i stop reading your posts seabeyond Dec 2013 #432

Oh I don't blame you - again! (and again and again) polly7 Dec 2013 #435

But you did the very same thing, in the very beginning. kcr Dec 2013 #413

I made nothing up. polly7 Dec 2013 #420

Okay, polly kcr Dec 2013 #427

You DID ascribe things to me I didn't say, ffs. polly7 Dec 2013 #429

Nope. kcr Dec 2013 #433

You said I asked you what a humanist was. polly7 Dec 2013 #436

Talk about muddying the waters kcr Dec 2013 #441

k. So stop the nasty crap towards me, if you're now admitting this. polly7 Dec 2013 #442

Well, I'm really sorry n/t kcr Dec 2013 #445

I don't know if you're sincere or not, but I'll gladly take that, and polly7 Dec 2013 #448

Yeah, kcr! You "accused her" of asking you a question! redqueen Dec 2013 #414

Read better. nt, polly7 Dec 2013 #422

true that. and you are probably right. seabeyond Dec 2013 #295

It's a shame the way you're treated on DU, Sea kcr Dec 2013 #298

Well I certainly know of no one else who's harvested delicate, personal information polly7 Dec 2013 #303

Well, I've never known anyone who broke into a safe, stole the hope diamond kcr Dec 2013 #306

Trivializing cruelty upon another woman. polly7 Dec 2013 #310

Well, I wouldn't trivialize grand theft, either kcr Dec 2013 #313

They weren't wild accusations. polly7 Dec 2013 #315

Well kcr Dec 2013 #317

No shit! polly7 Dec 2013 #320

Yes, basically that whole conversation of your twisting words and playing gotcha kcr Dec 2013 #322

LMAO!!!!! polly7 Dec 2013 #324

And the whole point of your posting revealed. n/t kcr Dec 2013 #326

Oh, hell no! polly7 Dec 2013 #329

You asked me what was wrong with being a humanist. kcr Dec 2013 #331

Wow. polly7 Dec 2013 #334

More twisting kcr Dec 2013 #343

It may come across that way to you. polly7 Dec 2013 #345

Well, why aren't you just 'you'? kcr Dec 2013 #351

First - WHERE did I call you ugly? Was that another of your 'mistakes'? polly7 Dec 2013 #354

Many denigrate half the population? Really? kcr Dec 2013 #357

So I didn't call you ugly? polly7 Dec 2013 #359

I guess we didn't read the same HOF then. kcr Dec 2013 #363

Or you conveniently miss all the nasty bullshit when it's directed towards those polly7 Dec 2013 #365

Otherwise known as confirmation bias. opiate69 Dec 2013 #367

Exactly. polly7 Dec 2013 #368

Amazing isn't it maddezmom Dec 2013 #379

It sure is, maddezmom. polly7 Dec 2013 #383

Wow kcr Dec 2013 #263

Holy shit! Here, grab a sundress and come with us! Retreat! PassingFair Dec 2013 #408

lol lol. and CALM down. someone is gonna have to define feminine for me though. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #412

OMG you were serious about the sundresses! PassingFair Dec 2013 #385

you did it a third time... lol. ah hahahah. got to this point i see. and the dots are connected. seabeyond Dec 2013 #394

I am in a state of bemused disbelief. Come on, girls, back to HOF!! PassingFair Dec 2013 #404

sheeeit, we have the sundresses on now, we will be safe. and... heard. hear me roar, lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #416

Oh, come on. You didn't just say that, did you? Squinch Dec 2013 #476

i am gigglin'. you are making me giggle. this thread was worth every womans shock seabeyond Dec 2013 #486

I could swear I read that, but maybe I'm just dreaming that I live in crazy town. Squinch Dec 2013 #534

Apparently, yes, lol! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #568

You know that's really loony, right? Squinch Dec 2013 #573

Please tell me you were being sarcastic. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #504

Not a chance, and, grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #569

So, women in business meetings should be wearing sundresses because then they'll get more dates? Squinch Dec 2013 #574

ROFL, at this point, why not! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #577

Why not? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #582

Wow. That's pretty ridiculous. Unless you're over 80. Which is what I am guessing. Squinch Dec 2013 #592

Because the goal of dating is quantity of dates, not quality? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #585

Hmmmm. I just got the phone number of a charming waitress... grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #588

Cool story bro. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #589

From my experience, grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #590

Oh good so anything a woman does is a sign of her interest. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #591

Of course not, but if caresses grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #593

I think your attempt to diversify your opinion is amusing. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #594

No, I love my mineshaft! In my view, women feeling compelled to wear suits to a business meeting grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #597

It's important to take your argument within context. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #598

Not what I'm trying to express. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #599

Because obviously it's normal and natural and "correct" for women to wear... sundresses? MadrasT Dec 2013 #544

Yes, ladies, it is completely normal and natural for women to wear sundresses:) grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #571

Come on, then--something for everyone. The fight isn't over until men feel free to MADem Dec 2013 #548

False equivalency. boston bean Dec 2013 #242

I may have intentionally Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #246

When Republicans were obstructing progress and hurting this country kcr Dec 2013 #373

yes kcr. this is how i see it. and this is what the suggestion reminded me of. we know, seabeyond Dec 2013 #397

It's exactly what it reminds me of. kcr Dec 2013 #406

Maybe the false equivalency Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #401

See my post 406 kcr Dec 2013 #407

not one feminist has accused any du man a rapist. and not one feminsit has claimed all du men seabeyond Dec 2013 #423

Again, I wasn't addressing Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #449

i type words. plain and simple. if somebody reads something into it, i will clarify. anyone can seabeyond Dec 2013 #469

There will be other threads Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #480

i know that is NOT what you were going for. why i pause.... and will pay attention later. seabeyond Dec 2013 #484

Well no, there were a couple of threads... (TRIGGER WARNING) redqueen Dec 2013 #453

yes. seabeyond Dec 2013 #475

Oh, my Goddess libodem Dec 2013 #302

If it's any consolation Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #309

Yes libodem Dec 2013 #352

Sorry you had to encounter people like that Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #366

I'll get over it libodem Dec 2013 #372

Feminism has it's own section in topics. Shouldn't all posts be in the Feminism sarcasmo Dec 2013 #183

no discussion of womens issues in GD? AA and lbgt has its own forum. no race or gay issues seabeyond Dec 2013 #186

Let it get over run by one topic then the section becomes dominated by one topic. sarcasmo Dec 2013 #187

Why is that a bad thing? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #208

I'm not saying don't discuss them FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #196

i cannot really address that as i have started no OPs in GD. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #203

And I'm not pointing fingers at anyone or any 1 group FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #209

i can hear you on that. what i cannot see though, a PSA that is valued, appreciated by many, seeing seabeyond Dec 2013 #215

You lost me there - What PSA ? FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #428

this is what started the last round. seabeyond Dec 2013 #437

Don't know what to think of arguing about that FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #472

Where's the option for "It's what passes for a hobby, for a group of people who dearly miss META" Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #194

I think the people who endlessly argue back and forth and back and forth might want liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #200

Intellectual Masturbation FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #211

"I still jerk off manually" Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #221

OTHER - Where's the entertain and LMFAO button, HAHA! grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #199

Is there something going on? Agschmid Dec 2013 #207

Feminists got uppity again, is the short of it. nt boston bean Dec 2013 #228

What get me kcr Dec 2013 #218

Personally I like to concentrate my efforts on working with men and women liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #224

Nothing wrong with that. kcr Dec 2013 #231

I don't think any DUer is above being told they are being obnoxious stevenleser Dec 2013 #241

Of course not. But I don't think that's what's happening. kcr Dec 2013 #251

You're kidding, right? Did you see the links I gave you? Anti-semitism is a huge issue here. stevenleser Dec 2013 #267

Where did I say it wasn't? kcr Dec 2013 #270

Now we are getting somewhere. stevenleser Dec 2013 #275

No kcr Dec 2013 #276

it was not strawman steven, it was experience. i am well aware of your argument. i know what you seabeyond Dec 2013 #287

It's a total strawman. I said one thing, you changed it to mean something else. stevenleser Dec 2013 #495

your whole post is about feminists shutting up about porn. YOU do not get to tell us feminists what seabeyond Dec 2013 #501

No, it's not. That is your strawman. You dont get to tell me what my words are after twisting them. stevenleser Dec 2013 #502

bullshit. you and i both know the difference you refer about the two waves. your fuckin porn. seabeyond Dec 2013 #507

Two of your favorite underhanded tactics in one subject line. Strawman and accusation of "my porn" stevenleser Dec 2013 #511

it is a hoot and so are you. seabeyond Dec 2013 #518

excuse me - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #521

For the record, I was not the alerter. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #522

I didn't think you were, stevenleser. I have my suspicions as to whom it is and, it is not you. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #523

Didn't mean to imply you were accusing me, just wanted that out there. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #525

Although I have to say I agree with the alert, even if I didn't push the button myself. stevenleser Dec 2013 #526

I think she meant it as the general you not, the personal you. That is how I took it. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #528

Yep, she did as you note. She and several other folks routinely accuse people of that who stevenleser Dec 2013 #532

steven.... we have had conversation about this for a very long time. no, it is not the seabeyond Dec 2013 #538

but, you argue porn is fine and has value. so it is not an insult to you. there is nothing wrong seabeyond Dec 2013 #536

No, that is not what I argue. Are we going to set a strawman record for you in this thread? stevenleser Dec 2013 #540

omg. i brought levity to the thread with my cartoon. thanks tuesday. seabeyond Dec 2013 #524

so you, will define what we are allowed to discuss? nah. doesnt work that way steven. seabeyond Dec 2013 #271

Thank you for giving a perfect example of what I am talking about. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #273

we already went thru the attempted purge of some feminist discussion. it failed. seabeyond Dec 2013 #277

What attempted purge of feminist discussion? nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #286

Yeah, I can't wait to see the answer to that one, since only the admins would be able to do such a stevenleser Dec 2013 #496

There won't be an answer. polly7 Dec 2013 #497

If I recall, you wanted HoF shut down. boston bean Dec 2013 #553

Glass houses give an illusion of spaciousness. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #558

I'm not the one denying it ever happened. boston bean Dec 2013 #559

You started it. No you did... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #562

Yeah, but I'm not entirely sure how that fits here. boston bean Dec 2013 #563

LOL...okay. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #570

Sorry... it sounded as if you were criticizing someone for trying to shut down your group. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #566

To me it sounded exactly as what I wrote. boston bean Dec 2013 #567

Do yourself a favor, LJ... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #572

The wars would NOT be "never ending", because the posters would be banned immediately. PassingFair Dec 2013 #418

If you actually clicked on the links, you would see that is not true. stevenleser Dec 2013 #493

I think these are legitimate issues. I stay away from most the threads though Number23 Dec 2013 #227

I am not afraid I'm going to get raped every time I leave the house like women liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #230

Thank you for so exquisitely making my point Number23 Dec 2013 #233

thank you for only taking a part of what I said and disregarding the rest. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #239

There was no argument. Your intentions may be good but that comment was exactly why Number23 Dec 2013 #269

You know nothing about me, but go on believing that you can judge the entirety of who I am based liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #278

If you'd rather put me on ignore than check your own cultural biases, that's on you Number23 Dec 2013 #281

+1, a little self reflection goes a mile. boston bean Dec 2013 #344

I wouldn't have minded actually having a conversation about it, to be honest Number23 Dec 2013 #488

You really truly did prove the point, in this case. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #409

. Squinch Dec 2013 #483

It's sad that it has come to this. stevenleser Dec 2013 #229

That makes a lot of sense libodem Dec 2013 #338

Yep, Look at my #267 and the response in #271 stevenleser Dec 2013 #498

. libodem Dec 2013 #505

Yes, and for the first time in almost 10 years... Hosnon Dec 2013 #274

There is a certain group of people... one_voice Dec 2013 #319

and there is this... CTyankee Dec 2013 #327

A means by whom to divide and conquer? Iggo Dec 2013 #346

This thread shows that DU is at least finally admitting that there are MRA posters here. Squinch Dec 2013 #348

Who? polly7 Dec 2013 #353

People who do these things: NoOneMan Dec 2013 #384

Wow, that's quite the thread. nt polly7 Dec 2013 #398

Yep, a long thread about trying to characterize DUers as MRAs. stevenleser Dec 2013 #503

I'm starting to see it as similar to how Bush needed to invent terra in Iraq ... polly7 Dec 2013 #509

That is an interesting observation. It certainly is a lot of time and effort invested stevenleser Dec 2013 #513

Exactly, steven. nt polly7 Dec 2013 #515

That is not an MRA. Not even close. 10 seconds on an actual MRA website will show you that. stevenleser Dec 2013 #499

Careful, remember the threat of libel lawsuits, and PPR campaigns. redqueen Dec 2013 #387

Considering some of the sites you've linked to and the ugly crap you've introduced here polly7 Dec 2013 #391

Your posts contain so much projection, it's not even funny. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #402

No, they don't. polly7 Dec 2013 #405

Eek! Squinch Dec 2013 #392

Name one, then we'll ask him if you're right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #471

You can see the divide and conquer right in this very thread. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #396

+1 Marr Dec 2013 #455

I find it interesting that a thread on one of these subjects was posted a couple hours after this: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #489

Try explaining the idiocy of idiots to the idiots themselves. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #400

+1000 TheBlackAdder Dec 2013 #533

over 400 replies and over 5000 views..... madrchsod Dec 2013 #421

It's not only intended to disrupt, it's inherently and entirely a strawman. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #490

There is not one person on DU who self-identifies as a Republican troll. Is that evidence there are seaglass Dec 2013 #545

One can go to other websites... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #555

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Dec 2013 #541

Other...since I don't think disagreeing with the HOF crowd... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #543

I think both groups take their issues seriously - TBF Dec 2013 #547

Good post trumad Dec 2013 #550

No, I don't think there's any conspiracy. Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #552

If one is truly a supporter of equality, evaluate each argument against the equal rights amendment. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #564

How did you get it in your head that a single law... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #580

The authors of the ERA did it perfectly. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #583

Ah but does the law mention the difference between sex and gender? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #584

Give me an example of a sexually discriminatory law that would pass ERA muster. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #586

My point this whole time has been that making the ERA... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #587

SIMPLE... This recent madness needs to be discussed in one or more of the gender forums. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #595