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In reply to the discussion: NATO attacks! [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)97. You feel comfortable making such a claim
based on nothing else than these two quotes?
I think what he may be going on about in your first quote is the "singularity" claim, when he says "the only case of mass murder in history which always has to be attached to a number of victims". He obviously doesn't deny the mass murder.
As to the exact numbers, there seems to be some disagreement even among serious researchers, since estimates are involved:
Early calculations range from about 4.2 to 4.5 million in The Final Solution (1953) by Gerald Reitlinger (arguing against higher Russian estimates),[289] and 5.1 million from Raul Hilberg, to 5.95 million from Jacob Lestschinsky. Yisrael Gutman and Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust estimate 5.595.86 million.[290] A study led by Wolfgang Benz of the Technical University of Berlin suggests 5.296.2 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_and_death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_and_death_toll
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.540880
Holocaust deniers don't say the exact number of victims may be disputable or not be important, they say the Holocaust didn't happen and claim that a comparatively much smaller number of camp inmates, one million or so, may have died of typhus or other diseases. That's very different from what this "Saker blogger" says in your quote.
The second quote is taken out of context. He is distancing himself from Nazi troll posts, and the part you quoted is the introduction, where he acknowledges some of the typical Neonazi claims (the Jewish boycott of German goods, I suppose) only to demolish their relevance in the following paragraphs, which you chose not to quote.
That he loathes religious fundamentalists (I think he mentions elsewhere his similar hatred for Wahhabism) and political ideologies based on religion and/or race is an attitude that he shares with a lot of people. Perhaps you believe they are all anti-Semites, but I would take exception to that. Personally, I don't "loathe" religious people, as long as they leave me alone I don't care. But if somebody does, I don't "loathe" them either, as long there is room for rational discussion and they don't proselytize to join their club.
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Not familiar with this journalist apparently. Pepe Excobar never talks nonsense. He's another one of
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#10
That's because most Americans probably think NATO stands for North American Treaty Org.
Rex
Sep 2014
#17
Pepe is used to that. Remember when Bush/Cheney were around and Pepe Escobar was exposing their lies
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#80
So we WERE fans of Saddam Hussein when we pointed out that removing him would totally destabilize
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#79
I don't remember people talking about 'legendary speeches' of Saddam, or credited him
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#84
From the man responsible for so much death in Chechnya, and who invaded Georgia a year later,
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#90
South Ossetia being in Georgia, not in Russia, when Putin sent in armed forces it was an invasion
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#94
Remember when he was writing about Bush/Cheney's lies about Iraq? He was crazy then
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#38
Could you expand on that, what do you consider 'silly' in the article? Are you familiar with this
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#39
Why in the world would a small country want to join an organization to protect against
pampango
Sep 2014
#19
Germany has 9 neighbors - Denmark, Poland, Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland, France, Luxembourg,
pampango
Sep 2014
#31
And as to the self-interest of Germany in these attacks? Any territorial gains for Deutchland?
pampango
Sep 2014
#33
I know, it's as silly as saying that any ME or African or East European nation needs to worry about
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#40
If there are countries that are so afraid of possible NATO intervention that they want to band
pampango
Sep 2014
#50
I have noticed that most of our 'enemies' other than the Soviet Union, have been Brown people. The
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#81
"Our enemies" have also included Germany (twice), Spain, the UK and Serbia, not
pampango
Sep 2014
#85
People who know their end game and then start writing their stories are not journalists.
JEB
Sep 2014
#35
Crystal and Newsmax were on a par with Escobar regarding the FP of George Bush?
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#41
When You Are 'Agin Everything', Ma'am, Some People Will Always Find You Right, Some Of the Time
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#43
Could you provide some examples of his 'clownish reporting' on Bush/Cheney's policies?
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#44
My question was serious. I see lots of 's/he's not credible' claims, but whenever I ask for guidance
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#51
No it is not at all possible. I have not and never have had anyone on ignore..
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#83
I have poked around. Is there any reason why you think I might not have? I asked you for your
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#82
And Here, Sir, Is The View Of 'The Saker Blogger' He Cites as Authoritative....
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#48
Who has a track record to meet your standards that does reliable reporting on Ukraine?
JEB
Sep 2014
#59
They share a common ideology with the website you are so eager to promote
geek tragedy
Sep 2014
#102
So much for our "pivot to Asia". Bet the Chinese are laughing themselves silly
LittleBlue
Sep 2014
#46
What a Lot Of People Do Not Seem To Get, Sir, Is That These People Are Entertainers
The Magistrate
Sep 2014
#73