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168. Carter got bad advice on Afghanistan

Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:03 PM

Oct 2014

from his national security advisor, who wouldn't know Kabul from Kinshasa and was ingrained with the Cold War mindset.

He also got bad advice from Henry Kissinger about admitting the deposed Shah into the US.

And basically he was forced to make overtures to Saddam, because of the oil shocks of the '70s and the threat of the spread of the Iranian Revolution, which was a pretty nasty business.

However, he departed from his predecessors in his focus on human rights in his foreign policy, which won him acclaim in Latin America and elsewhere. His successor, on the other hand, never met a brutal right-wing dictator he didn't like.

And Carter's efforts led to a peace treaty being signed between Egypt and Israel, efforts for which Carter won (deservedly) a belated Nobel Peace Prize.

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Please grade Barack Obama's performance as president [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 OP

I gave him a B DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #1

I don't think he deserves any blame for anything madokie Sep 2014 #4

We are going to get our asses handed to us in the midterms DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #6

The successes are not capitalized on. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #8

That's why I gave him a B/NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #11

Same here. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #12

Says you madokie Sep 2014 #14

What do I and the Republican press say? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #18

how can he do what you think he should be able to? madokie Sep 2014 #23

Whether or not we get our asses handed to us in the mid terms isn't a matter of opinion. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #25

And I keep telling you there is no one turning on that biggest bullhorn, its silent madokie Sep 2014 #30

I completely agree with you. we are as propagandized as Germany was BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #73

thank you madokie Sep 2014 #76

The difference was the govt was controlling the message. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #87

I wish he could. Cable news was given legal right to lie to the public. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #92

hopefully you are wrong here. tiredtoo Sep 2014 #143

President Obama has asked for our help a dozen million times. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #174

A Plus! I wish he could run again. 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #2

He gets an A+ from me madokie Sep 2014 #3

He sure looks swell! Caretha Sep 2014 #5

He looks very good. Autumn Sep 2014 #13

A for the Pres. safeinOhio Sep 2014 #7

Yep, therein lies the root cause of most of the problems in this country! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #9

Just add my name to your posts marym625 Sep 2014 #21

Ditto for your posts too, add my name! There are millions and millions of people RKP5637 Sep 2014 #47

exactly marym625 Sep 2014 #50

B+ rogerashton Sep 2014 #10

k&r for exposure marym625 Sep 2014 #15

I used to get criticized because people felt my options represented an agenda DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #19

Well that's ridiculous marym625 Sep 2014 #20

I think my system used to consist of DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #32

seems reasonable to me marym625 Sep 2014 #37

Looks like you caught marym625 Sep 2014 #105

C -- Like Clinton and Carter before him, a mere caretaker DerekG Sep 2014 #16

Clinton was no "caretaker". He led. marble falls Sep 2014 #24

Carter gave us probably the most visionary energy policy ever Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #40

Carters plan would of had the deficet paid off by 1990, but People orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #53

Abd more or less the same foreign policy as ever Scootaloo Oct 2014 #153

Carter got bad advice on Afghanistan Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #168

Unfortunately... Scootaloo Oct 2014 #169

And none of our leaders know everything about everything Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #170

"Overthrowing a government via armed religious nutjobs" seems a universally bad idea Scootaloo Oct 2014 #171

James Earl Carter, Jr served in the nuclear submarine program in the United States Navy! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #172

The neutron bomb Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #173

All true, but he also gave back the Panama Canal and worked with the Sandinistas Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #221

I would liken Obama to Clinton, but not Carter. ozone_man Oct 2014 #225

A lamp_shade Sep 2014 #17

+1 flamingdem Sep 2014 #127

I would have gave him an A, but his globalist free trade crap is a loser! B Calm Sep 2014 #22

i keep reading about this globalist free trade crap madokie Sep 2014 #26

why here. cali Sep 2014 #41

I think that in 100 years philosslayer Sep 2014 #27

I'm not sure about top 3, but ... JoePhilly Sep 2014 #36

Anyone giving him an A is so partisan as not to be able to actually cali Sep 2014 #28

I gave him a C ibegurpard Sep 2014 #29

I love your post! Quackers Sep 2014 #31

Disrespecting other DU members, nice. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #33

You would never NEVER do such a thing. LOLOLOLOL morningfog Sep 2014 #57

I gave him a B and a poster took umbrage DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #35

I am giving him an A and I will be glad to tell you why Peacetrain Sep 2014 #38

Continuing and aggressively expanding Bush policies that directly assault the Constitution woo me with science Sep 2014 #51

The Constitution is not some infallible static document with divinely-inspired authority YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #114

Yes!!!11!1! woo me with science Sep 2014 #116

The constitution is a living document that can change meaning depending on the party in power. hughee99 Sep 2014 #147

I don't think it's an A but, if others do, that's fine by me. bigwillq Sep 2014 #59

For real. Funny how somefolks are simply never happy just having an opinion without declaring it THE Number23 Sep 2014 #94

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In my 6.5 years on this site, there have been four of you that I've asked to put me on ignore Number23 Oct 2014 #191

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Leaving someone alone when they've identified you as toxic, abusive person that they want nothing Number23 Oct 2014 #193

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I can't even believe the nerve.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #196

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If he had a functioning Congress and SCOTUS, I would give him a B. Rex Sep 2014 #74

I think many are grading on a Bush curve. adirondacker Sep 2014 #93

Same here Doctor_J Sep 2014 #104

They only gave him an A because Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #108

Partisan? Excuse me, the other Parti is full of traitors! flamingdem Sep 2014 #130

Thank you for clarifing this grading tiredtoo Sep 2014 #145

This is a majority of the constituency anymore Cali. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #158

Insulting DUers treestar Oct 2014 #176

+1 Marr Oct 2014 #180

I knocked him down a peg for his 'no-accountibility' handling of financial crisis, but pluses for... dmosh42 Sep 2014 #34

What is being done to this country, under this administration and the last, woo me with science Sep 2014 #39

Ha! OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #55

No-I don't consider sustained assaults on the Constitution and the foundations of democratic govt. woo me with science Sep 2014 #58

That's an "A" then, right? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #60

"You're still posting on the internet." woo me with science Sep 2014 #62

Your argument is facile, at best. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #69

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I just read through your part of this thread marym625 Sep 2014 #97

Dead on. PeteSelman Sep 2014 #101

You do us a service Woo, thanks again. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #157

I give him an A for being forced to go it alone. Rex Sep 2014 #42

A for effort, B for results equals B+ BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #43

D+ LittleBlue Sep 2014 #44

That was a stellar post. woo me with science Sep 2014 #54

I think that was the best post I have seen in years Autumn Sep 2014 #61

So just 1 degree of separation from Bush!?!?! sunnystarr Sep 2014 #72

Only if you assume Bush barely flunked LittleBlue Sep 2014 #75

The only thing funnier than that post is the Amen Choir that followed. And apparently continues to Number23 Sep 2014 #99

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #139

I would like to think my mediocre rating is not a condemnation tech3149 Sep 2014 #45

I have him a C mainly because he squandered the huge yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #46

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That just pisses me off yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #119

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Democrats believe government can do good things jeff47 Sep 2014 #136

After a good nights sleep, yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #137

Reagan had a Democratic Senate for only 2 years, Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #135

So true davidpdx Oct 2014 #164

He did not have 7 months. He had 4 months karynnj Sep 2014 #138

Your probably right about the 60 yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #140

Best president of my entire life MohRokTah Sep 2014 #48

It would have been an interesting time to be alive davidpdx Oct 2014 #165

Corporate. eom JEB Sep 2014 #49

Which more and more equals ANTI-democratic. woo me with science Sep 2014 #52

I used to say that Republican is interchangeable with money grubbing, corporate sellout, JEB Sep 2014 #56

The business party. woo me with science Sep 2014 #66

It's become a political society with no aisle, they all refer to us as them . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #67

Obama rates a solid C BillZBubb Sep 2014 #63

Agreed, Shrub would get expelled . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #68

The President we all hoped for, dreamed of MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #64

C,,, I mean on your comedic comment . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #65

No question that it sucked as comedy MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #70

You got it!!!!! Warren/2016 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #71

I was going to give him a B but then I changed it to a A just to piss off the haters to see another William769 Sep 2014 #77

Poll does not include my favorite category, President for Life or Until Kingdom Come! freshwest Sep 2014 #79

... William769 Sep 2014 #83

Oh what the hell, They hate us anyway freshwest~ sheshe2 Sep 2014 #102

funny, I did the opposite demwing Oct 2014 #223

I give him a B Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #78

C: too much time spent shining the shoes of his kkkorporate masters XemaSab Sep 2014 #80

A+ and a DU rec. ucrdem Sep 2014 #81

What if he had closed Guantanamo, got single payer health care, and ended all the wars? Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #85

In that alternative universe ucrdem Sep 2014 #88

This poll is a nice surprise flamingdem Sep 2014 #126

For corporations/Wall Street/1% or for "the people?" polichick Sep 2014 #82

I'd probably give him a B+. BlueStater Sep 2014 #84

I've been very critical of Obama. I still give him a B. flvegan Sep 2014 #89

Is the "E" for Effort? nt LiberalElite Sep 2014 #90

Given the cards he was dealt, he has performed miracles. tritsofme Sep 2014 #91

210 votes in. 63% of respondents give the president marks well beyond passing (B and up) Number23 Sep 2014 #95

Shrill screams? Trajan Sep 2014 #115

The A's are saying he's a crypto fascist Republican? Number23 Sep 2014 #117

I'm glad to know the silent majority of DU gives Obama an A flamingdem Sep 2014 #124

Exactly. May explain why a certain contingent seems so "energized" today Number23 Sep 2014 #125

the negative outcomes of our latest war actions in the ME G_j Sep 2014 #96

A solid B.... revmclaren Sep 2014 #98

I think I will pass on assigning a grade. Brigid Sep 2014 #103

I don't think grading him A-F captures the situation - hedgehog Sep 2014 #106

Definitely an A+ for performance. lamp_shade Sep 2014 #107

B- TBF Sep 2014 #109

D. He's done nothing at all to address income inequality. He's done nothing to protect our privacy Erose999 Sep 2014 #110

I am voting a C, did not do anything special but did not completely F it up either. dilby Sep 2014 #111

i think a B is fair. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #112

Solid B, maybe B+ YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #113

Interesting - the "neocon sellout" brigade seems to be out of town... brooklynite Sep 2014 #120

No, they're here. But on the sidelines where they belong Number23 Sep 2014 #131

They're diversifying their portfolio here. But I'll go with the future, instead: freshwest Sep 2014 #146

A solid C. ozone_man Sep 2014 #121

Obamacare saved my finances flamingdem Sep 2014 #123

B- Barack_America Sep 2014 #128

Bank bailouts, mandatory insurance, dragnet spying, forever wars... you tell me. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #129

A minus or B plus. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #133

Our country is going bankrupt thanks to the 1% and Obama is doing nothing to stop it and liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #134

DDH. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #142

C NCTraveler Sep 2014 #144

322 votes now. 63% still give him exceptional marks. Looks like DU has spoken. CLEARLY Number23 Sep 2014 #148

You think getting only 63% high marks on a Democratic site is something to crow about? BillZBubb Oct 2014 #149

85% give him a passing grade. 63% of that 85% (the vast majority) give him VERY high marks Number23 Oct 2014 #150

Whatever. BillZBubb Oct 2014 #159

NAFTA, failured to do anything constructive about derivatives, amandabeech Oct 2014 #162

This is Democratic Underground and this forum is General Discussion. Are you familiar with them? Number23 Oct 2014 #163

Back to 85 now Number23 Oct 2014 #179

Maybe so, but in retrospect there are a lot of things Clinton did that davidpdx Oct 2014 #166

The job's too big and varied to condense into an overall grade. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #151

C- taught_me_patience Oct 2014 #152

Hey, that GPA is a solid C! BillZBubb Oct 2014 #160

My family is struggling more it seems with each passing year. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #155

No pluses or minuses? KamaAina Oct 2014 #156

They gave E's at some school in New Jersey in the late 50s or 60s. Systematic Chaos Oct 2014 #206

I remember those. Stellar Oct 2014 #222

I give Obama an A, while the Republican Congresscritters get an F. Jamaal510 Oct 2014 #161

I Give Him An A Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #167

Friendly kick Number23 Oct 2014 #175

It's hard to grade him when he's just staring at me like that. AleksS Oct 2014 #177

On social issues I'd give him an "A" tularetom Oct 2014 #178

This thread is a breath of fresh air (although I didn't read every response--didn't want to press my Stardust Oct 2014 #183

B Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #198

I think he tried his best... AsahinaKimi Oct 2014 #199

Solid B a kennedy Oct 2014 #200

I think a diving score would be more accurate. riqster Oct 2014 #201

A, probably A+ given the enormous amount of crap he's had to deal with. Frank Cannon Oct 2014 #204

Soooo... Do I grade him from the beginning of his presidency or the whole thing thus far? Xyzse Oct 2014 #205

that's what makes him a C for me Skittles Oct 2014 #215

I gave him a D star14 Oct 2014 #211

C+ roamer65 Oct 2014 #213

This thread has managed to prove one thing: Systematic Chaos Oct 2014 #220

Wow! demwing Oct 2014 #224

A + Melynn Oct 2014 #226

Big ball- C, C-. Small ball- A, A- agentS Oct 2014 #227

B because he didn't go after wall street and didn't realize soon enough the repugs were evil racists kimbutgar Oct 2014 #228

He gets a B. DemocraticWing Oct 2014 #229

I don't know. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #230

kick Number23 Nov 2014 #231

kick nt steve2470 Nov 2014 #232