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In reply to the discussion: Quotes from the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live. [View all]Chathamization
(1,638 posts)36. Telling that all the quotes are from ’05, since Greenwald has since said were uninformed and wrong
Greenwald on his old positions(and there's a link to this in the blog post, so people omitting it are being intentionally deceptive):
That was a 6 yrs ago: 3 weeks after I began blogging, when I had zero readers. I've discussed many times before how there were many uninformed things I believed back then, before I focused on politics full-time - due to uncritically ingesting conventional wisdom, propaganda, etc. I've written many times since then about how immigrants are exploited by the Right for fear-mongering purposes. I'm 100% in favor of amnesty, think defeat of the DREAM Act was an act of evil, etc. That said, I do think illegal immigration is a serious problem: having millions of people live without legal rights; having a legal scheme that is so pervasively disregarded breeds contempt for the rule of law; virtually every country - not just the U.S. insists on border control because having a manageable immigration process is vital on multiple levels. But that post is something I wrote literally a few weeks after I began blogging when nobody was reading my blog; it was anything but thoughtful, contemplative, and informed, and - like so many things I thought were true then - has nothing to do with what I believe now.
(And I thought Greenwald was awful because he always thinks hes right and never admits mistakes )
The funny thing is, I went back and looked at DU threads mentioned Greenwald between 04 and 08 (went through the first two pages of results). I didnt find anyone criticizing him or calling him a libertarian at the time, most of the comments about him were praising him. Its funny that hes gotten more criticism for these positions after he stopped believing in them then he did when he believed in them.
Oh, the truncation you made here is also quite telling:
I'm also in favor of reeling in the painfully overbroad Commerce Clause, which more than anything else has enabled the Federal Government to stick its claws in things which were clearly intended to be reserved for the states
Full quote:
I'm also in favor of reeling in the painfully overbroad Commerce Clause, which more than anything else has enabled the Federal Government to stick its claws in things which were clearly intended to be reserved for the states (nobody speaks on that issue more powerfully, by the way, than former Vt. Governor and fervent States Rights proponent Howard Dean).
Huh, why would anyone cut off the very end of that sentence?
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone call him "The greatest progressive ever to live."
Scootaloo
Oct 2014
#4
I'm a Greenwald fan but I have never seen anyone call him the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live
Autumn
Oct 2014
#5
I believe these to be Greenwald's quotes, but given your history, you need to provide a link.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2014
#6
Yes, It has been obvious to all non-Greenwald Fanboys what he was about from the beginning, sir
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#15
Partially, yes. Orwell's full notes on nationalism where he describes negative nationalism
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#28
Thanks very much, I will search out all on that link to define this better for myself.
freshwest
Oct 2014
#29
Not just wrong, it would mean Dean was furthering “the great project of the modern right” and
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#37
That Would Be The Effect, Sir, Viewed Coldly, If Any Action Were Taken On The Proposition
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#38
Right, so Dean’s exempt from the “right-wing libertarian” label because he isn’t anti-war.
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#42
Of course Greenwald's endorsement of multiple Democrats and praise of Obama doesn't matter to you
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#54
I've debunked all of that before. Here and now we have a chance to see what Greenwald and Snowden
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#31
You've debunked exactly nothing, and neither has been caught in a lie
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2014
#32
I have multiple times. And now we have an opportunity to see more of what they are about.
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#33
Telling that all the quotes are from ’05, since Greenwald has since said were uninformed and wrong
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#36
Like Some Others, Sir, He Seemed To Think That A Step Towards Making Single-Payer Viable Politically
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#47
I'd say the onus is on the person digging up the 9 year old comment to: 1. Not truncate it in an
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#49
Do you have ANY evidence that "He mis-characterized Gov. Dean, in an attempt to make his own views
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#56
There Is No Evidence, Sir, For Describing Gov. Dean As A 'Fervent Proponent Of State's Rights'
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#57